Fedora Ambassadors' survey: less than 3 Minutes required :)

[Ankur Sinha]

Hi all!

I've made a small survey I request everyone to fill up. It has 3
questions, of which one asks your name :P

It is intended to collect data on what people have been doing and what
difficulties they're facing while carrying out ambassador activities.
Once we have the data, we will have a better chance of finding efficient
solutions to these issues.

The survey:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dFN3emtQdEhVMGdKTXNWX0l...

The results (publicly viewable):
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Al73WBsvtlGodFN3emtQdEhVMGdKTXN...

[Truong Anh Tuan]

----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ankur Sinha" 
> To: [e-mail], [e-mail]
> Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2011 11:37:24 AM
> Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Ambassadors' survey: less than 3 Minutes	required :)
>
> Hi all!
>
> I've made a small survey I request everyone to fill up. It has 3
> questions, of which one asks your name :P
>
> It is intended to collect data on what people have been doing and
> what
> difficulties they're facing while carrying out ambassador activities.
> Once we have the data, we will have a better chance of finding
> efficient
> solutions to these issues.
>
> The survey:
>
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dFN3emtQdEhVMGdKTXNWX0l...
>
> The results (publicly viewable):
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Al73WBsvtlGodFN3emtQdEhVMGdKTXN...

Great to see a lot of ppl involved.
I have just filled my personal ideas. Hope to see more from others.

Kind regards, 
Tuan

[fedora-india] Fedora Ambassadors' survey: less than 3 Minutes required :)

[Shakthi Kannan]

Hi,

--- On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 10:07 AM, Ankur Sinha  wrote:
| I've made a small survey I request everyone to fill up. It has 3
| questions, of which one asks your name :P
|
| It is intended to collect data on what people have been doing and what
| difficulties they're facing while carrying out ambassador activities.
|
| The survey:
|
| https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dFN3emtQdEhVMGdKTXNWX0l...
|
| The results (publicly viewable):
| https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Al73WBsvtlGodFN3emtQdEhVMGdKTXN...
--

It would be good to use the Fedora Infrastructure if you intend to
collect information from Fedora users. Not everyone necessarily uses
other third party services.

SK

[fedora-india] Fedora Ambassadors' survey: less than 3 Minutes required :)

[Kévin Raymond]

On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 4:19 AM, Shakthi Kannan  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> --- On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 10:07 AM, Ankur Sinha  wrote:
> | I've made a small survey I request everyone to fill up. It has 3
> | questions, of which one asks your name :P
> |
> | It is intended to collect data on what people have been doing and what
> | difficulties they're facing while carrying out ambassador activities.
> |
> | The survey:
> |
> | https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dFN3emtQdEhVMGdKTXNWX0l...
> |
> | The results (publicly viewable):
> | https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Al73WBsvtlGodFN3emtQdEhVMGdKTXN...
> --
> It would be good to use the Fedora Infrastructure if you intend to
> collect information from Fedora users. Not everyone necessarily uses
> other third party services.

+1

I was just about to send the following:

As Fedora Project contributor, we are proud to use only Free Software
in the whole process. From the marketing to the infra through the
design.

I don't know if there is any alternatives to google doc, but there should be.
Have you at least looked for one?

If there is no web hosted facilities, we should consider asking the
infra to host some.
I don't know UNG docs ("UGN is Not Google")[1] but looks great.

same for doodle, we all use this site, but there are free (I mean Open
Source) alternatives, like dudle[2]

Do we have a wiki page where we can find all available tools for contributors?

[1] http://www.ung-project.org/
[2] https://dudle.inf.tu-dresden.de/about.cgi?lang=en

[fedora-india] Fedora Ambassadors' survey: less than 3 Minutes required :)

[Ankur Sinha]

On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 3:51 PM, Kévin Raymond wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 4:19 AM, Shakthi Kannan 
> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > --- On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 10:07 AM, Ankur Sinha
>
> wrote:
> > | I've made a small survey I request everyone to fill up. It has 3
> > | questions, of which one asks your name :P
> > |
> > | It is intended to collect data on what people have been doing and what
> > | difficulties they're facing while carrying out ambassador activities.
> > |
> > | The survey:
> > |
> > |
>
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dFN3emtQdEhVMGdKTXNWX0l...
> > |
> > | The results (publicly viewable):
> > |
>
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Al73WBsvtlGodFN3emtQdEhVMGdKTXN...
> > --
> > It would be good to use the Fedora Infrastructure if you intend to
> > collect information from Fedora users. Not everyone necessarily uses
> > other third party services.
>
> +1
>
> I was just about to send the following:
>
> As Fedora Project contributor, we are proud to use only Free Software
> in the whole process. From the marketing to the infra through the
> design.
>
> I don't know if there is any alternatives to google doc, but there should
> be.
> Have you at least looked for one?
>
> If there is no web hosted facilities, we should consider asking the
> infra to host some.
> I don't know UNG docs ("UGN is Not Google")[1] but looks great.
>
> same for doodle, we all use this site, but there are free (I mean Open
> Source) alternatives, like dudle[2]
>
> Do we have a wiki page where we can find all available tools for
> contributors?
>
> [1] http://www.ung-project.org/
> [2] https://dudle.inf.tu-dresden.de/about.cgi?lang=en

hello ,

I understand what you are trying to say. However, requesting infra to set
it all up and then conduct the survey would delay the survey quite a bit.
As long as this survey is transparent, it is okay IMO. Please feel free to
work on setting up a survey mechanism on fedora infra.

As a closing note, please start a separate thread for the discussion on
such tools. I'd like this one to remain on track.

--
> Kévin Raymond
> User:shaiton
> GPG-Key: A5BCB3A2

Thanks,
Ankur

[fedora-india] Fedora Ambassadors' survey: less than 3 Minutes required :)

[Shakthi Kannan]

Hi,

--- 2011/12/8 Ankur Sinha :
| I understand what you are trying to say. However, requesting infra to set it
| all up and then conduct the survey would delay the survey quite a bit.
--

A wiki page would have worked :)

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging_Survey_May_2009

SK

[fedora-india] Fedora Ambassadors' survey: less than 3 Minutes required :)

[Caius Chance]

On 08/12/2011, at 8:52 PM, Shakthi Kannan wrote:
> --- 2011/12/8 Ankur Sinha :
> | I understand what you are trying to say. However, requesting infra to set it
> | all up and then conduct the survey would delay the survey quite a bit.
> --
>
> A wiki page would have worked :)
>
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging_Survey_May_2009

I personally like the survey like this - easy.

I understand that a survey beyond infra may affect documentation, except when we extract all results and put it back to a centralised place like FP wiki.

AFAIR, last FAmSCo also used external survey tools. How about infra deploys a survey service for Fedora?

Regards,
kaio

[fedora-india] Fedora Ambassadors' survey: less than 3 Minutes required :)

[Kévin Raymond]

Le 8 déc. 2011 12:22, "Caius Chance"  a écrit :
> On 08/12/2011, at 8:52 PM, Shakthi Kannan wrote:
> > --- 2011/12/8 Ankur Sinha :
> > | I understand what you are trying to say. However, requesting infra to

set it
> > | all up and then conduct the survey would delay the survey quite a bit.
> > --
> >
> > A wiki page would have worked :)
> >
> > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging_Survey_May_2009
>
> I personally like the survey like this - easy.
>
> I understand that a survey beyond infra may affect documentation, except

when we extract all results and put it back to a centralised place like FP
wiki.
> AFAIR, last FAmSCo also used external survey tools. How about infra

deploys a survey service for Fedora?

I have initiated a thread about that to logistic and amba

Please switch there
> Regards,
> kaio
>
> --
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> [e-mail]
> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/ambassadors

[fedora-india] Fedora Ambassadors' survey: less than 3 Minutes required :)

[Shakthi Kannan]

Hi,

--- 2011/12/8 Caius Chance :
| http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging_Survey_May_2009
|
| I personally like the survey like this - easy.
--

The important point here is that it is under fedoraproject.org. Who
knows what is being edited/modified by third party services, or
whoever controls it? What is a point of a survey that is not owned by
us, and the outcome of it is used to govern us?

I never asked for a survey. If people require feedback from Fedora
users, I'd suggest that they use Fedora Infrastructure alone, rather
than relying on third party services, and I'd be happy to participate
in it. I'll stop here. Period.

SK

[fedora-india] Fedora Ambassadors' survey: less than 3 Minutes required :)

[Ankur Sinha]

Hello!
On Thu, 2011-12-08 at 17:00 +0530, Shakthi Kannan wrote:
> The important point here is that it is under fedoraproject.org. Who
> knows what is being edited/modified by third party services, or
> whoever controls it?

"who knows what is being edited/modified by third party services, or
whoever controls it" is just far fetched wishful thinking.

Don't all of us use gmail/yahoo/whatnot for our emails? How come no one
runs around claiming third party services are sending out emails and
*governing us*? Should we set up an email sever on fedora infra next,
and a search engine?
> What is a point of a survey that is not owned by
> us, and the outcome of it is used to govern us?

There is a HUGE *HUGE* _HUGE_ point.

I cannot stress it enough!

The point is the _data_ that the survey collects.

Honestly, I don't understand why you don't see it. It is under my
account. I can assure you that *NO ONE* is tampering with the data. I
hope you can take my word on that. If you cannot sleep in peace, I
request each person who filled the survey form to check the spreadsheet!

It is my request to please concentrate on _*what the survey is about*_.
If it offends you that much, please take steps so that future surveys
can be held on fedora infra. For the time being, DO NOT undermine the
*purpose* of the survey by bringing up orthogonal issues. I implore you
to please let people concentrate on the survey alone.

With all due respect, I hope you do stop at that period. If the issue is
that I'm using not using FOSS, I apologise. If the issue is you do not
trust google, please don't fill the survey. You can email your responses
to the list.

[fedora-india] Fedora Ambassadors' survey: less than 3 Minutes required :)

[Gerard Braad]

2011/12/8 Ankur Sinha :
> > What is a point of a survey that is not owned by
> > us, and the outcome of it is used to govern us?
>
> There is a HUGE *HUGE* _HUGE_ point.
> I cannot stress it enough!
> The point is the _data_ that the survey collects.

Please people, we are not taking any action without properly
considering needed steps and/or consequences. This is why we have an
entity like FAmSCo. I am really happy with this initiative.

Gerard

[fedora-india] Fedora Ambassadors' survey: less than 3 Minutes required :)

[Ankur Sinha]

On Thu, 2011-12-08 at 16:22 +0530, Shakthi Kannan wrote:
> A wiki page would have worked :)
>
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging_Survey_May_2009

The google docs form is less work than editing a wiki page. However,
since it has been pointed out, I will make it a point to use a wiki page
in the future.

[Gerard Braad]

2011/12/8 Ankur Sinha :
> The results (publicly viewable):
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Al73WBsvtlGodFN3emtQdEhVMGdKTXN...

I am really happy to see some of the feedback.
Especially the call for help. Please, if you need... we at FAmSCo, and
regional mentors are available.
Just send a message and I am more than willing to help you.

[Ankur Sinha]

On Thu, 2011-12-08 at 20:58 +0800, Gerard Braad wrote:
> I am really happy to see some of the feedback.
> Especially the call for help. Please, if you need... we at FAmSCo, and
> regional mentors are available.
> Just send a message and I am more than willing to help you.

Thank you Gerard. I hope to bring up the issues at the FAmSCo meetings.