(08:01:01 PM) ke4qqq: time to start, roll call (08:01:12 PM) pcalarco: PascalCalarco (08:01:30 PM) iWolf: JeffreyTadlock (08:01:49 PM) ***DemonJester here (08:02:05 PM) quaid: [[User:Kwade|Karsten Wade]] ;-P (08:02:25 PM) DemonJester: BrianPowell, sorry.... (08:02:37 PM) ke4qqq: don't know if that works within pre tags, does it? (08:03:30 PM) ke4qqq: alright - I suppose others will filter in as we progress - iWolf anything to report from FAmSCo? (08:04:02 PM) iWolf: We did meet last week. Pretty much covered the budget which is posted to the ambassadors list. (08:04:16 PM) iWolf: talked a little bit about the various regions and what they are up to. (08:04:25 PM) iWolf: nothing earth shattering. (08:05:03 PM) ke4qqq: ok any feedback on our "plan" for media? (08:05:35 PM) iWolf: it should be a go - seems like we are seeing how this release goes with the regions handling it. if its a success, we'll stick with it. (08:06:08 PM) ke4qqq: ok - well talk more about media shortly.... (08:06:25 PM) ke4qqq: suppose it's now time for the task list - (08:07:03 PM) ke4qqq: unless someone has an objection I think I'll put the "Contacting" one to bed. (08:07:20 PM) ke4qqq: herlo: available to talk about Ambkit and evbox? (08:07:28 PM) herlo: ke4qqq: sure (08:09:47 PM) ***ke4qqq waits (08:10:19 PM) ***DemonJester hears crickets and bullfrogs ;-) (08:10:37 PM) inode0: chirp (08:10:45 PM) DemonJester: lol (08:11:32 PM) herlo: ke4qqq: what would you like to discuss? (08:11:40 PM) ke4qqq: ambassador kit and eventbox (08:11:44 PM) ke4qqq: and if there are any updates (08:11:48 PM) ***herlo was unsure that we were already starting :) (08:11:53 PM) herlo: sorry (08:12:09 PM) herlo: so here's the plan with eventbox (08:12:32 PM) herlo: I'm working right now to find a good shipping box. Once I find something that can hold the following: (08:13:16 PM) herlo: Banners - 5 or 6 (2 fedora banners, 4 f's) (08:13:31 PM) herlo: the 5 is for the current ifv themee (08:13:40 PM) herlo: about 50-75 tshirts of all sizes (08:13:53 PM) herlo: 200-300 bits of Media (08:14:09 PM) herlo: maybe some hard signs for usb creation station (08:14:19 PM) herlo: stickers and usb sticks (08:14:44 PM) inode0: ! (08:14:48 PM) herlo: I've heard discussion of lcd screens though I don't feel that's necessary (08:14:55 PM) herlo: and 1 OLPC (08:14:59 PM) herlo: inode0: shoot (08:15:29 PM) inode0: we have requests pending with two Fedora sponsors for small laptops for usb creation stations (08:15:45 PM) inode0: I submitted a project proposal to OLPC this week (08:15:53 PM) ke4qqq: inode0: I have an update on dell when you are done (08:15:55 PM) inode0: for 1 XO per box (08:16:08 PM) herlo: inode0: like eeepc?? (08:16:13 PM) herlo: for the usbcreation? (08:16:16 PM) inode0: that moved from pending to approved but I honestly don't know what that means yet (08:16:38 PM) ke4qqq: outstanding!!! (08:16:56 PM) inode0: my inquiry was about HP mini-notes (08:17:03 PM) inode0: ke4qqq: fill us in (08:17:06 PM) herlo: inode0: okay, those'll work (08:17:31 PM) herlo: well, I still need to talk about ambkits, but its pretty simple (08:17:43 PM) herlo: however, I think the eventbox discussion hasn't concluded (08:17:46 PM) inode0: just a second please (08:17:48 PM) ke4qqq: I asked Matt Domsch @ dell for 4 of their new mini-inspirons as well - the current status is that no one has funding ie a no, but he said he is still scrounging around (08:17:56 PM) ke4qqq: go ahead herlo (08:18:07 PM) inode0: one more question about event boxes (08:18:12 PM) herlo: shoot (08:18:28 PM) inode0: if these are floating boxes how do we plan to replenish them? (08:18:49 PM) herlo: easy (08:18:57 PM) herlo: each time we ship them, we fill them (08:19:21 PM) inode0: I thought we ship them once and the recipient ships them to their next destination? (08:19:27 PM) herlo: so, I just bought 55 tshirts plus some pins and what not (08:19:37 PM) herlo: inode0: right (08:19:38 PM) herlo: but (08:19:46 PM) herlo: we gave away all our shirts (08:19:50 PM) herlo: save 15-20 (08:20:05 PM) herlo: I still have a few dollars left and about a month of time before the OLF comes (08:20:22 PM) herlo: I can have another 55 printed and shipped here or there, whichever is cheaper (08:20:32 PM) herlo: well, not another 55, but still some (08:21:00 PM) herlo: does this make sense? (08:21:04 PM) inode0: not really (08:21:31 PM) inode0: are the OLF people expected to refill the box out of their budget? (08:21:43 PM) herlo: inode0: to a point (08:21:49 PM) quaid: "whatever is leftover from the event + these standard items are shipped to the next event; the next event orders more $stuff to replenish based on incoming inventory." (08:22:10 PM) herlo: quaid: agreed, but I have a few extra dollars (08:22:26 PM) herlo: the other part is that if you have money left over, you should use it to replenish the box... (08:22:27 PM) iWolf: i think things will get confusing pretty quickly. (08:22:42 PM) herlo: so everyone hang on... (08:22:45 PM) iWolf: i would be more apt if i were herlo to contribute the extra money to the media fund to get us to the min. order. (08:22:57 PM) ke4qqq: +1 (08:23:00 PM) herlo: iWolf: not a bad idea (08:23:21 PM) herlo: here's the thing. Its like $100 over the shipping costs I'm about to incur. (08:23:29 PM) herlo: so I ship an empty box? (08:23:36 PM) herlo: I mean its not completely empty (08:23:49 PM) herlo: probably weighs about 5-7lbs right now (08:24:00 PM) herlo: iWolf loads it up with t's and such (08:24:06 PM) herlo: and gives them out (08:24:16 PM) herlo: then he sends it on again? (08:24:22 PM) herlo: is that what I'm hearing? (08:25:03 PM) iWolf: when i've thought event box, i've never included swag in the event box. (08:25:08 PM) herlo: I was just adding that, simply put, if you have a few extra dollars, add something. T's, stickers, whatever. (08:25:15 PM) iWolf: i've thought of it more as a "booth in a box". (08:25:33 PM) iWolf: as that booth bit is a lot of work that gets repeated that doesn't really need to get repeated. (08:25:34 PM) herlo: well, then we need to completely rethink whats currently inside (08:25:41 PM) inode0: I was thinking fixed stuff for the booth that never leaves our control, just goes from booth to booth (08:25:53 PM) inode0: but swag is a plus if it can be managed I think (08:25:54 PM) herlo: because the only thing currently in there is a banner or two and the ifv signs (08:26:05 PM) iWolf: if we ship large amounts of t's in the box we end up potentially paying shipping costs twice for the same t-shirts. (08:26:20 PM) herlo: iWolf: +1 (08:26:26 PM) herlo: but stickers/pins are light (08:27:03 PM) iWolf: yeah, and they would fit in easily. (08:27:18 PM) herlo: yep (08:27:22 PM) herlo: k, so revision then (08:27:25 PM) iWolf: and if I had a t-shirt or two left from an event and they fit, then sending them on would be fine. (08:27:34 PM) herlo: sure, that's what I'll be doing (08:27:38 PM) iWolf: just not sure I would make it a requirement to restock the box. (08:27:48 PM) herlo: not a requirement, just a suggestion (08:27:59 PM) herlo: but it sounds like refills are better with stickers or pins (08:28:46 PM) iWolf: yeah, light weight and easy to fit into the space available as the event box nears completion. (08:28:47 PM) herlo: so here's my new version of EventBox (08:28:55 PM) herlo: lets call it EventBox .02 (08:28:58 PM) herlo: :) (08:29:16 PM) herlo: Small Durable, Plastic Box (08:29:33 PM) herlo: probably 12x24x8 (08:29:38 PM) herlo: included inside (08:29:40 PM) herlo: Banners (08:29:46 PM) herlo: Network Cable (08:29:47 PM) ianweller_afk is now known as ianweller (08:29:49 PM) herlo: XO (08:30:01 PM) herlo: Mini USB Creation Station (possibly) (08:30:22 PM) herlo: Laminated Creation Station Sign (08:30:34 PM) herlo: Leftover SWAG (08:30:42 PM) herlo: EOB (08:30:44 PM) herlo: thoughts ?? (08:31:20 PM) ke4qqq: add a wap/router running free/oss firmware (08:31:24 PM) quaid: + wifi (08:31:35 PM) inode0: are there some other common needs? tape, table cloth, etc.? (08:31:56 PM) ke4qqq: ohhhh yeah - table cloth....gaffers tape.... (08:31:57 PM) iWolf: there used to be a fedora tablecloth, we had it at OLF last year - is it still around - it was quite nice. (08:32:04 PM) iWolf: and expensive. (08:32:10 PM) quaid: iWolf: "gone" I think (08:32:28 PM) herlo: me thinks so as well (08:32:37 PM) ***ke4qqq thinks so as well (08:32:40 PM) iWolf: quaid: that's unfortunate, i think Max bought that just before OLF as it was shpped straight to my house for OLF last year. (08:32:43 PM) herlo: I don't think you will need gaffers tape or tablecloths (08:32:49 PM) quaid: perhaps with the banner from FUDCon Boston 2008 (08:33:07 PM) quaid: +tape (08:33:10 PM) quaid: + pens, scissors (08:33:30 PM) quaid: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/EventBox#Suggested_contents_of_th... (08:33:38 PM) quaid: +anything on that list not already mentioned (08:34:59 PM) herlo: pens, scissors, etc yes (08:35:09 PM) herlo: quaid: yes, I've been looking at that (08:35:15 PM) herlo: except I think its a bit over the top (08:35:30 PM) quaid: ha ha! (08:35:30 PM) inode0: actually could we perhaps make that list a signup sheet for contributors? (08:35:34 PM) quaid: well,I disagree :D (08:35:46 PM) quaid: that is, one could rely upon Ambassadors to supply tape, scissors, etc. (08:35:47 PM) inode0: I could kick in some of that easily (08:36:09 PM) quaid: inode0: right, add it when the box comes in (08:36:23 PM) quaid: herlo: but then it's not "event in a box" (08:36:26 PM) quaid: it (08:36:29 PM) herlo: lol (08:36:38 PM) quaid: it's "event in a box, just add water, scissors,tape..." (08:36:44 PM) herlo: last I checked, its not an 'Event in a box' (08:37:10 PM) herlo: its EventBox, used for major events or conferences that should already provide much of these things on the list (08:37:33 PM) herlo: we should plan for emergencies, yes. (08:37:45 PM) herlo: but we shouldn't bring things we can get at a local convenience store (08:37:53 PM) herlo: for $5-10 (08:38:21 PM) quaid: I've yet to be at an event that already provided anything more than a table and two chairs (08:38:32 PM) herlo: really? (08:38:35 PM) quaid: yep (08:38:36 PM) EvilBob: 5-10 becomes 25-50 really fast at a C store (08:38:36 PM) herlo: no power? (08:38:40 PM) quaid: ok, power (08:38:43 PM) quaid: sometimes ethernet (08:38:48 PM) quaid: carpet (08:38:55 PM) herlo: sure, I don't argue the need for wires (08:38:59 PM) herlo: as in cat5 (08:39:08 PM) herlo: but power should be there, and a basic booth (08:39:15 PM) iWolf: power strips should be included in the box though. (08:39:24 PM) quaid: herlo: so everyone should have a set of what? it seems cheaper to have a set in the middle, are you thinking of shipping weight? (08:39:33 PM) herlo: k, hold on again (08:39:35 PM) inode0: event at FUDcon Boston there was a mad scramble for an extension cord and power strip (08:39:38 PM) herlo: I'm talking scissors, tape, etc (08:39:45 PM) herlo: not power cords, ethernet cords (08:40:05 PM) herlo: sure we can have one set of scissors in there, but if they get lost, oh well... (08:40:06 PM) ***quaid has tried to open those stupid USB plastic wrappingdododders without scissors before, oy vey! (08:40:09 PM) iWolf: i'd include tape and scissors as well, the goal being make it as easy for an ambassador as posible. (08:40:44 PM) herlo: I guess what I'm not getting is why we need heavy duty extension cordes (08:40:54 PM) herlo: an lcd monitor seems excessive to me (08:41:12 PM) herlo: maybe a router, but most conferences have wireless (08:41:22 PM) iWolf: OLF doesn't. (08:41:25 PM) quaid: my experience is most often crappy wireless (08:41:27 PM) iWolf: no ethernet connection either. (08:41:35 PM) inode0: I'd say forget the monitor and shuttle, hope we get mini-notes or something similar (08:41:46 PM) herlo: wow! (08:41:47 PM) quaid: and there is a need for a local hub, why not $15 more for wireless? (08:41:53 PM) iWolf: and OLF says - there's an outlet, no power strip, no extention cord, noghtin. (08:42:00 PM) quaid: sure, notebooks have LCD so it's all one (08:42:12 PM) herlo: you mean to tell me there won't be internet at a large event of 1000+ people? (08:42:20 PM) iWolf: inode0: agreed, if we get the mini-notes that would be fine. (08:42:20 PM) quaid: OSCON, LWCE very similar (08:42:23 PM) herlo: that's amazing to me (08:42:26 PM) quaid: herlo: yes, and 1000+ people using it (08:42:29 PM) iWolf: herlo: nope. (08:42:30 PM) inode0: keyboard/mouse can go then too (08:42:43 PM) quaid: herlo: so at LWCE we got one drop for _all_ of the .org pavilion (08:42:47 PM) herlo: quaid: sure, we just had an event of 400+ no outages, slower than normal, but worked well (08:42:51 PM) inode0: I do think an extension cord and power strip are good to have (08:42:55 PM) quaid: fortunately Etherboot was there with tons of equipment (08:42:55 PM) herlo: quaid: well, okay (08:42:59 PM) iWolf: herlo: its held at a convention center, which means union folks have to "hook it up" which translates to around $1000+ to turn it on. (08:43:00 PM) quaid: so we could actually *run* stuff at the booth (08:43:01 PM) herlo: I guess I'll have to rethink that sort of thing (08:43:13 PM) quaid: iWolf: +1 yep, per drop (08:43:16 PM) ***herlo now hates unions :) (08:43:24 PM) herlo: okay, not really... (08:43:27 PM) quaid: eh, out of context :) (08:44:00 PM) herlo: okay, I'm convinced (08:44:02 PM) herlo: moving on (08:44:36 PM) herlo: I'll try to buy something that will fit most of this stuff then and get it shipped out late sept... (08:46:03 PM) ke4qqq: ok any movement on kit? (08:46:38 PM) herlo: ke4qqq: I've been running a conference for about 3 weeks (yes, it was only 3 days, but still busy) so nope sorry (08:46:41 PM) herlo: :( (08:46:49 PM) ***herlo wishes he was more capable... (08:46:50 PM) ke4qqq: no need to apologize (08:47:08 PM) ke4qqq: lets talk about media (08:47:10 PM) herlo: though I got a final price on media (08:47:16 PM) herlo: $.0576 (08:47:17 PM) ke4qqq: how awesome (08:47:18 PM) herlo: er (08:47:20 PM) herlo: .576 (08:47:28 PM) herlo: each, including printing (08:47:32 PM) herlo: sleeves and all (08:47:33 PM) ke4qqq: shipping? (08:47:43 PM) herlo: they're local to utah iirc (08:48:00 PM) inode0: lot size? (08:48:02 PM) ***herlo is looking for the email now (08:48:06 PM) herlo: 3k (08:48:07 PM) ke4qqq: will they do a single run of 3k? (08:48:10 PM) herlo: yes (08:49:25 PM) inode0: nice in the long run - consumes more than 1/3 of this quarter's budget (08:49:32 PM) herlo: yep, local (08:49:34 PM) ke4qqq: ok - so essentially our plan is to try and get money from all of the event runners in Q3 to piece together a single 3k order for x86 livecds (08:49:45 PM) herlo: right (08:49:47 PM) EvilBob: I used to use a place called niche stuff in California, not sure if they are still around, they were cheap back in the day (08:50:08 PM) EvilBob: And quality was great (08:50:40 PM) herlo: the guy I'm working with used to be a CD media broker and would go around to all the creation houses and get the best prices (08:50:45 PM) ke4qqq: so I am ready to fork over about 90% of my event's money for media - since I already have F9 media. (08:50:45 PM) herlo: he's worked with these guys before (08:51:21 PM) herlo: ke4qqq: right, do you need more? I can send some along in the event box. I think I still have about 200. I realistically only need 100 at most (08:51:22 PM) inode0: .576 seems a very good price (08:51:44 PM) herlo: 3000*.576 (08:51:45 PM) herlo: 1728.000 (08:51:52 PM) ***herlo loves bc (08:52:10 PM) ke4qqq: herlo: I am ok, but OLF will probably welcome them (08:52:24 PM) herlo: that's the total cost. I don't have much money left in my budget, but there's a few dollars for next quarter (08:52:37 PM) ke4qqq: Q3 started yesterday (08:52:44 PM) herlo: oh, right (08:52:48 PM) herlo: this quarter (08:54:16 PM) herlo: k, anything else? (08:54:37 PM) ke4qqq: nope (08:54:41 PM) ke4qqq: iWolf: FAD (08:56:20 PM) iWolf: I would out of town the last few days and have nothing to report. (08:56:39 PM) ***kulll wiggles (08:56:48 PM) ke4qqq: ok - we have several people who volunteered to write blog posts (08:56:53 PM) ke4qqq: 2 have stepped forward (08:57:03 PM) ianweller: blog posts about what? (08:57:04 PM) ke4qqq: I also have 2 who still remain for me to get on the planet (08:57:06 PM) ke4qqq: FAD (08:57:17 PM) ianweller: oic (08:57:36 PM) inode0: ! for ian (08:58:12 PM) inode0: would you be willing to share ideas on how Fedora might reach more high school students? (08:58:27 PM) inode0: are there particular things we might offer to do at/with high schools? (08:58:56 PM) ianweller: inode0: you're definitely going to want to try and find the high schools with the tech departments that aren't full of nitwits in bed with microsoft. (08:58:58 PM) ***herlo will blog about it soon (08:58:59 PM) ***inode0 doesn't mean to hijack conversation - can be tabled for later (08:58:59 PM) ***ianweller never said that ;) (08:59:12 PM) ianweller: inode0: in other words, not my school district (08:59:20 PM) ke4qqq: musts/coulds/shoulds (08:59:27 PM) ke4qqq: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/NorthAmerica/Expectations (08:59:38 PM) ianweller: inode0: but that would definitely be interesting (08:59:41 PM) ke4qqq: would like to move this out of draft now - people have beat on it for a few weeks (08:59:44 PM) ke4qqq: thoughts? (08:59:52 PM) inode0: sorry, the one thing on my list I blew off this week (08:59:59 PM) herlo: ke4qqq: I think its at a good point (09:00:11 PM) herlo: and we should start marketing it around to other ambassadors for opinions (09:00:25 PM) herlo: especially those doing things *not* particularly visible (09:01:02 PM) ke4qqq: ok - I'll send a post to the mailing list and strip that from todos. (09:01:12 PM) ke4qqq: pcalarco: polos? (09:01:18 PM) inode0: I have no further objection to it - but I did plan to make some changes ... (09:01:43 PM) pcalarco: yes, we have another order for 9 more order going to the vendor thurs. (09:01:52 PM) ke4qqq: well it's not written in stone. (09:02:08 PM) ke4qqq: anyone want to step up and blog about this?? DemonJester?? (09:02:28 PM) DemonJester: the should/could/woulds? (09:02:41 PM) ke4qqq: no polos (09:03:00 PM) DemonJester: oh.. sure I will get something out for that.. (09:03:05 PM) ke4qqq: outstanding (09:03:20 PM) pcalarco: actually 11, i just looked at the wiki (09:03:43 PM) inode0: is vwbusguy on the list? (09:04:09 PM) pcalarco: no (09:04:09 PM) ke4qqq: yes think so (09:04:22 PM) ***ke4qqq is thinking of the wrong list (09:05:25 PM) inode0: link handy? (09:05:37 PM) pcalarco: so that will be a total of 16 different NA Ambassadors with polos when this is complete (09:06:03 PM) inode0: pcalarco: do you have the link to the list handy? (09:06:07 PM) ***herlo has a polo :) (09:06:15 PM) pcalarco: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/NA#Fedora_Ambassador_Polo_Shirts_f... (09:06:16 PM) herlo: from the last round (09:06:22 PM) ke4qqq: lets blog this so that it gets as much visibility as possible. (09:06:37 PM) herlo: so two things to blog (09:06:47 PM) EvilBob: Can one get a polo that does not say "ambassagor" on it? (09:06:47 PM) pcalarco: I can add the first round of folk to the page (09:07:13 PM) herlo: FAD and Polos, it seems those are a good post together (09:07:25 PM) inode0: the order goes out thursday - we need to touch base with your fellow hoosier (09:07:39 PM) ke4qqq: hmmm +1 - perhaps we ought to make the price of admission to FAD a blog post about it ahead of time :) (09:08:43 PM) pcalarco: inode0: which one? (09:09:10 PM) inode0: Scott - he has wanted one for a long time, I'll hunt him down ASAP (09:09:17 PM) herlo: wait, there's an admission cost for FAD? (09:09:25 PM) ke4qqq: it was in jest (09:09:32 PM) herlo: I thought it was just OLF that had a cost. (09:09:33 PM) herlo: oh... (09:09:36 PM) herlo: :) (09:09:52 PM) ke4qqq: sorry - forgot emoticons and that my sarcasm doesn't bleed through. (09:11:06 PM) ***quaid bails to dinner ... (09:11:21 PM) ke4qqq: thanks quaid (09:11:26 PM) ke4qqq: alright anything else to discuss? (09:12:39 PM) ke4qqq: ok hearing nothing we'll adjourn in 30 (09:12:49 PM) ke4qqq: 20 (09:12:57 PM) ke4qqq: 10 (09:13:04 PM) ke4qqq: 5 (09:13:10 PM) ke4qqq: we're adjourned
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