Ambassadors!!!
Do not forget to nominate yourself, right now your chance is pretty good to become elected!!!
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/SteeringCommittee/Election/2009No...
Larry Cafiero, Susmit, Robert Scheck, Francesco Ugolini - please take this as a nomination from my side, you are all awesome mentors!!!!
cu Joerg
On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 7:16 AM, Joerg Simon jsimon@fedoraproject.org wrote:
Ambassadors!!!
Do not forget to nominate yourself, right now your chance is pretty good to become elected!!!
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/SteeringCommittee/Election/2009No...
Larry Cafiero, Susmit, Robert Scheck, Francesco Ugolini - please take this as a nomination from my side, you are all awesome mentors!!!!
cu Joerg
I am a bit new to fedora ambassadors, this is the first election that I follow really close. It is usual that people coming last write their name on top? I am not saying it is wrong, but it seems to me rude. What about just writing their names and leaving details for later? It just look like a foot on the door trying to keep it open. It worries me because if they are late to write a few lines, then how are expected to write answer to the long questionnaire proposed?
Just wondering, hope other people consider the process and not only the final state of the nomination page.
best regards
On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 08:03:14 -0600, "Neville A. Cross" nacross@gmail.com wrote:
I am a bit new to fedora ambassadors, this is the first election that I follow really close. It is usual that people coming last write their name on top?
just express your feelings with your vote ;)
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 8:03 AM, Neville A. Cross nacross@gmail.com wrote:
I am a bit new to fedora ambassadors, this is the first election that I follow really close. It is usual that people coming last write their name on top? I am not saying it is wrong, but it seems to me rude.
It appears that it is not usual but I don't see anything that actually says where to put your name so it is up to the candidate to choose and I guess up to you to make of their choice what you will.
The details are left to the elective bodies to decide. FESCo, for instance, asks candidates to place names in alphabetical order but FAmSCo doesn't.
What about just writing their names and leaving details for later? It just look like a foot on the door trying to keep it open. It worries me because if they are late to write a few lines, then how are expected to write answer to the long questionnaire proposed?
Again I think it is for you to decide what to make of it.
Just wondering, hope other people consider the process and not only the final state of the nomination page.
I think you should suggest everything that you feel would make the process better so we can learn and improve in the future.
John
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 8:34 AM, inode0 inode0@gmail.com wrote: <snip>
Just wondering, hope other people consider the process and not only the final state of the nomination page.
I think you should suggest everything that you feel would make the process better so we can learn and improve in the future.
John
I will look for the proper channel to submit my suggestion, you are right.
And as Simon suggested I also will express it with my vote.
Thanks to both of you.
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Neville A. Cross nacross@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 8:34 AM, inode0 inode0@gmail.com wrote:
<snip> > >> Just wondering, hope other people consider the process and not only >> the final state of the nomination page. > > I think you should suggest everything that you feel would make the > process better so we can learn and improve in the future. > I will look for the proper channel to submit my suggestion, you are right.
I think you in the proper channel now since FAmSCo sets the rules and they should read what shows up here. Perhaps it will encourage others to make suggestions too.
John
2009/11/16 inode0 inode0@gmail.com:
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Neville A. Cross nacross@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 8:34 AM, inode0 inode0@gmail.com wrote:
<snip> > >> Just wondering, hope other people consider the process and not only >> the final state of the nomination page. > > I think you should suggest everything that you feel would make the > process better so we can learn and improve in the future. > I will look for the proper channel to submit my suggestion, you are right.
I think you in the proper channel now since FAmSCo sets the rules and they should read what shows up here. Perhaps it will encourage others to make suggestions too.
John
Thank you for all these feedbacks.
First of all, we used to write candidate statment/future plans (and so on) since the first election hold in 2006. As I said writing a statment don't require 1000 words: even a word can clearly show the vision of the candidate. This is important because it helps figuring our the vision. We are Ambassadors, and an Ambassadors skill is to be able to communicate.
You'll be able to see the list of names during the election, but sure, having the statments write in the nomination page doesn't create any problem.
Second, we never had the problem to consider the alphabetical order, since we haven't noticed any problem with this system.
If people prefer to have names alphabetically sorted, it's not a problem, just 2 minutes of wiki editing and everything will work.
Tell us (from candidates too) if you need this to be done.
Regards
Francesco
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 9:19 AM, Francesco Ugolini fugolini@fedoraproject.org wrote:
Thank you for all these feedbacks.
First of all, we used to write candidate statment/future plans (and so on) since the first election hold in 2006. As I said writing a statment don't require 1000 words: even a word can clearly show the vision of the candidate. This is important because it helps figuring our the vision. We are Ambassadors, and an Ambassadors skill is to be able to communicate.
I agree having a short statement is useful. Is it required? Do we accept nominations that don't include them?
You'll be able to see the list of names during the election, but sure, having the statments write in the nomination page doesn't create any problem.
Second, we never had the problem to consider the alphabetical order, since we haven't noticed any problem with this system.
Just to be clear I wasn't suggesting we put the names in alphabetical order. I just used that as an example of one rule that exists elsewhere for ordering the names on the nomination page. Having them appear in the order the nominations were made seems good to me too, maybe even better since it carries some information along with it.
I don't think we need to do anything this time around, but if people would like a more specific rule for next time they can suggest one. :)
John
2009/11/16 inode0 inode0@gmail.com:
I agree having a short statement is useful. Is it required? Do we accept nominations that don't include them?
I think we haven't to set up limits: someone express him/herself with more words, someone else, instead, need only three words (no one is better, it's just a question of style, like behing Orwell or Joyce :)).
The second question has a simple answer: no words, means no interest or no motivation to run. I think everyone has an idea, event "Organize Events for pets" (n.b. just an exageration).
Moreover, he/she could have ALL the time needed to write this. So, just keep it blank when you take a decision, but in the following days, please, add even a brief statement.
That's a reasonable and democratic way, and everytime it works fine.
Just to be clear I wasn't suggesting we put the names in alphabetical order. I just used that as an example of one rule that exists elsewhere for ordering the names on the nomination page. Having them appear in the order the nominations were made seems good to me too, maybe even better since it carries some information along with it.
I don't think we need to do anything this time around, but if people would like a more specific rule for next time they can suggest one. :)
Just sort them in alphabetical order. Nobody will complain it ;) (FAmSCo will do this)
Hoping it could clear the point
Regards
Francesco Ugolini
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 9:40 AM, Francesco Ugolini fugolini@fedoraproject.org wrote:
I agree having a short statement is useful. Is it required? Do we accept nominations that don't include them?
I think we haven't to set up limits: someone express him/herself with more words, someone else, instead, need only three words (no one is better, it's just a question of style, like behing Orwell or Joyce :)).
The second question has a simple answer: no words, means no interest or no motivation to run. I think everyone has an idea, event "Organize Events for pets" (n.b. just an exageration).
Moreover, he/she could have ALL the time needed to write this. So, just keep it blank when you take a decision, but in the following days, please, add even a brief statement.
That's a reasonable and democratic way, and everytime it works fine.
What triggered my complain probably is because there is not a time frame for writing statements. What about setting a rule, that it is okey if you don't want to write any statement, but the wiki will freeze at the time that nominations are closed. Or even freeze the statements declarations two days after nominations are closed.
Probably it is just me looking for a more organized way when there is no real need for more rules.
Just to be clear I wasn't suggesting we put the names in alphabetical order. I just used that as an example of one rule that exists elsewhere for ordering the names on the nomination page. Having them appear in the order the nominations were made seems good to me too, maybe even better since it carries some information along with it.
I don't think we need to do anything this time around, but if people would like a more specific rule for next time they can suggest one. :)
Just sort them in alphabetical order. Nobody will complain it ;) (FAmSCo will do this)
Hoping it could clear the point
Regards
When I pointed to the order, I just pointed that most running candidates just wrote their name at the bottom of the list. And them some one put his name on top. It seems rude to me, but it is not against any rule. I think going alphabetically will help avoid this perceptions. Not sure if it is needed this time, as there was not rule. If this is going to be applied now, I volunteer to do the wiki editing. But I will not undertake action unless is agreed. I still think that should be left for next election and a rule should be written before next election. I am not a fan of changing rules at the middle of the game.
best regards
2009/11/16 Neville A. Cross nacross@gmail.com:
What triggered my complain probably is because there is not a time frame for writing statements. What about setting a rule, that it is okey if you don't want to write any statement, but the wiki will freeze at the time that nominations are closed. Or even freeze the statements declarations two days after nominations are closed.
Probably it is just me looking for a more organized way when there is no real need for more rules.
I like rules because they simplify the system. In this case, however, the style is part of the candidate background.
If you visit that page you'll firstly see the index. From the page index you'll be able to click on the candidate name and see his/her statement. Simple.
I think, we come from difference cultures, with a different way to express ourselves. I see this like a way to learn something more from the other people: it's just part of the growth process of ourselves. Just let people roll out heir creativity and show their character.
If we put rules on how to write the statments, people may face unufeull difficulties and someone could be less motivated to join the contest.
When I pointed to the order, I just pointed that most running candidates just wrote their name at the bottom of the list. And them some one put his name on top. It seems rude to me, but it is not against any rule. I think going alphabetically will help avoid this perceptions. Not sure if it is needed this time, as there was not rule. If this is going to be applied now, I volunteer to do the wiki editing. But I will not undertake action unless is agreed. I still think that should be left for next election and a rule should be written before next election. I am not a fan of changing rules at the middle of the game.
We have the wiki index, it's just a list itself. If you click on the names in the box you can read the details on the people.
It's just work, isn't it?
Regards
Francesco
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