Dear all,
Just i have read blog post from Fabian Affolter(known as fab) via planet fedoraproject.i would like to share it again to the ambassadors list because of we are having 545 people but it's seems 104 votes(~19%) have been made.yesterday i tried to verify how many of us have been voted but it is clear now.
It makes sense Just ~10 minutes is more than enough to read and cast your vote. Does this mean that they are lazy to do at least this?
Please have a look at the original post[1] by Fabian.
[1]:http://fabian-affolter.ch/blog/index.php/famsco-2011-election-result
Thanks
Best Regards, Suresh Fedora Ambassador -Srilanka.
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HI,
I also aware about the amount of the votes, but I don't have a conclusion yet.
All, please provide some ideas. a reply here is more useful than 10 surveys.
Regards, kaio
On 07/12/2011, at 7:39 PM, Suresh Packiyarajah wrote:
Dear all,
Just i have read blog post from Fabian Affolter(known as fab) via planet fedoraproject.i would like to share it again to the ambassadors list because of we are having 545 people but it's seems 104 votes(~19%) have been made.yesterday i tried to verify how many of us have been voted but it is clear now.
It makes sense Just ~10 minutes is more than enough to read and cast your vote. Does this mean that they are lazy to do at least this?
Please have a look at the original post[1] by Fabian.
Thanks
Best Regards, Suresh Fedora Ambassador -Srilanka. gpg-0x50A53FF2
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On 12/07/2011 10:39 AM, Suresh Packiyarajah wrote:
Just i have read blog post from Fabian Affolter(known as fab) via planet fedoraproject.i would like to share it again to the ambassadors list because of we are having 545 people but it's seems 104 votes(~19%) have been made.yesterday i tried to verify how many of us have been voted but it is clear now.
It makes sense Just ~10 minutes is more than enough to read and cast your vote. Does this mean that they are lazy to do at least this?
Please have a look at the original post[1] by Fabian.
You could also read it like this:
In 2007 there were 288 Ambassadors. In 2011 there are 545. That is almost 190%.
In 2007 there were 69 people voting. In 2011, 104 voted. If we assume that most of the voters are more or less also active ambassadors, then the number of active ambassadors grew by 50%.
Cheers, Matthias
On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 6:44 PM, Matthias Kranz matthiaskranz@gmx.de wrote:
On 12/07/2011 10:39 AM, Suresh Packiyarajah wrote:
Just i have read blog post from Fabian Affolter(known as fab) via planet fedoraproject.i would like to share it again to the ambassadors list because of we are having 545 people but it's seems 104 votes(~19%) have been made.yesterday i tried to verify how many of us have been voted but it is clear now.
It makes sense Just ~10 minutes is more than enough to read and cast your vote. Does this mean that they are lazy to do at least this?
Please have a look at the original post[1] by Fabian.
You could also read it like this:
In 2007 there were 288 Ambassadors. In 2011 there are 545. That is almost 190%.
In 2007 there were 69 people voting. In 2011, 104 voted. If we assume that most of the voters are more or less also active ambassadors, then the number of active ambassadors grew by 50%.
Cheers, Matthias
during the past few government elections i did not cast my vote as i am not interested about local politics. but I was alive during the electing time.
you can't indicate the status (active or not) by just looking at the number of votes.
you must send a survey and find why other people not interested.
my suggestion FAMSCO should collect the feedback on their work before the next election, and it will help to maintain a QoS from FAMSCO. Not only that but also we could find some suggestions from the community which we can set as the targets of next year.
2011/12/7 Danishka Navin danishka@gmail.com
On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 6:44 PM, Matthias Kranz matthiaskranz@gmx.dewrote:
On 12/07/2011 10:39 AM, Suresh Packiyarajah wrote:
Just i have read blog post from Fabian Affolter(known as fab) via
during the past few government elections i did not cast my vote as i am not interested about local politics. but I was alive during the electing time.
you can't indicate the status (active or not) by just looking at the number of votes.
you must send a survey and find why other people not interested.
my suggestion FAMSCO should collect the feedback on their work before the next election, and it will help to maintain a QoS from FAMSCO. Not only that but also we could find some suggestions from the community which we can set as the targets of next year.
FamSco survey 2011 result can be found here [ http://yn1v.fedorapeople.org/Documents/survey/] Neville A. Cross has conducted.
-Suresh
Hello Everyone,
Thank you for your posts. :)
On 12/07/2011 10:39 AM, Suresh Packiyarajah wrote: Just i have read blog post from Fabian Affolter(known as fab) via
during the past few government elections i did not cast my vote as i am not interested about local politics. but I was alive during the electing time.
you can't indicate the status (active or not) by just looking at the number of votes.
you must send a survey and find why other people not interested.
Ah, a survey for Vote?
my suggestion FAMSCO should collect the feedback on their work before the next election, and it will help to maintain a QoS from FAMSCO. Not only that but also we could find some suggestions from the community which we can set as the targets of next year.
FamSco survey 2011 result can be found here [http://yn1v.fedorapeople.org/Documents/survey/] Neville A. Cross has conducted.
Suresh, thank you for the URL. :)
I think that a new survey "with name and/or anonymous" to help provide some an end of operating period reflection would be advantageous. :D
* From a consolidate list of feedback, be it from the Election and/or Effective 12 month period, this information will be essential and vital for moving forward. My ten cents. :) ============================ The following two files were very useful. ;)
* comments_to_survey.pdf 16-Jul-2011 04:43 46K * results-survey-full.ods 20-Jul-2011 02:47 23K
I see some very interesting comments in Column AC which would be useful to have listed somewhere. ============================ I could not open the following 5 files.
famsco_survey_APAC.pdf 20-Jul-2011 02:45 4.0M famsco_survey_EMEA.pdf 20-Jul-2011 02:46 4.0M famsco_survey_LATAM.pdf 20-Jul-2011 02:47 4.0M famsco_survey_NA.pdf 20-Jul-2011 02:47 3.9M Fedora_Ambassadors_Survey.pdf 16-Jul-2011 04:43 4.1M ============================ Please have a Great Fedora day and/or evening! :~)
Thank You Sincerely =-=-=-=-= - David - =-=-=-=-= David Ramsey --------------------------------- 一石二鳥 いっせきにちょう One stone; two birds. To kill 2 birds with 1 stone. = Fedora Project's Japan & Maryland Ambassador dramsey@fedoraproject.org * http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Dramsey With sixteen (16) x86_64 computing cores, 80 GB of RAM and eight SATA Seagate 7200.12 - 500 GB harddisks. The system definitions are at the following URL: * https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Dramsey#Using_embedded_code_have_updates... =
On Wed, 2011-12-07 at 23:56 -0500, David Ramsey wrote:
============================ I could not open the following 5 files.
famsco_survey_APAC.pdf 20-Jul-2011 02:45 4.0M famsco_survey_EMEA.pdf 20-Jul-2011 02:46 4.0M famsco_survey_LATAM.pdf 20-Jul-2011 02:47 4.0M famsco_survey_NA.pdf 20-Jul-2011 02:47 3.9M Fedora_Ambassadors_Survey.pdf 16-Jul-2011 04:43 4.1M ============================
I was really worried when I saw that there was problems with the files. First because some time ago I had a problem with permissions. Some how I messed up and some files uploaded were forbidden for accessing from the web. Second, because those file have been hanging there for a long time (long standing error). I just checked and I was able to open them. I did not have to correct anything to open them. If any body still have problems, I can send them by email on request.
The responses to the survey were low, so the responses have to be taken as anecdotal and not statistical. There is useful information about what some people think, but not enough people to said that represent overall what ambassadors think.
I think that we have more people, more ways to interact and more specific niches of collaboration (even within the ambassador team). So, it is some how logic that some people write emails, others hang on IRC, others vote and not everyone is on all channels. So the grow it is not reflected the same on different instances, like voting. I do not want to force people to vote. Furthemore, with a flat structure and a high level of autonomy, for a lot of ambassadors it does not make much difference who is at Famsco.
I feel that I did a warm job at Famsco. Not bad, but not great either. No enough people think is that bad as to change the way things are being doing... No enough people think is that great as to parade showing support.
In other hand, I think that probably will be useful to review how the ambassadors have been performing on things that are core to the team. Like for example how many events, and how many of those were properly reported. That it is more relevant for fedora project than if everybody voted.
In any case, I would like to see ideas to increase vote interest that does not include compulsory voting. Specially because I have none.
Best regards
On 09/12/2011, at 5:35 AM, Neville A. Cross wrote:
On Wed, 2011-12-07 at 23:56 -0500, David Ramsey wrote:
============================ I could not open the following 5 files.
famsco_survey_APAC.pdf 20-Jul-2011 02:45 4.0M famsco_survey_EMEA.pdf 20-Jul-2011 02:46 4.0M famsco_survey_LATAM.pdf 20-Jul-2011 02:47 4.0M famsco_survey_NA.pdf 20-Jul-2011 02:47 3.9M Fedora_Ambassadors_Survey.pdf 16-Jul-2011 04:43 4.1M ============================
I was really worried when I saw that there was problems with the files. First because some time ago I had a problem with permissions. Some how I messed up and some files uploaded were forbidden for accessing from the web. Second, because those file have been hanging there for a long time (long standing error). I just checked and I was able to open them. I did not have to correct anything to open them. If any body still have problems, I can send them by email on request.
The responses to the survey were low, so the responses have to be taken as anecdotal and not statistical. There is useful information about what some people think, but not enough people to said that represent overall what ambassadors think.
I think that we have more people, more ways to interact and more specific niches of collaboration (even within the ambassador team). So, it is some how logic that some people write emails, others hang on IRC, others vote and not everyone is on all channels. So the grow it is not reflected the same on different instances, like voting. I do not want to force people to vote. Furthemore, with a flat structure and a high level of autonomy, for a lot of ambassadors it does not make much difference who is at Famsco.
I feel that I did a warm job at Famsco. Not bad, but not great either. No enough people think is that bad as to change the way things are being doing... No enough people think is that great as to parade showing support.
In other hand, I think that probably will be useful to review how the ambassadors have been performing on things that are core to the team. Like for example how many events, and how many of those were properly reported. That it is more relevant for fedora project than if everybody voted.
In any case, I would like to see ideas to increase vote interest that does not include compulsory voting. Specially because I have none.
Best regards
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Hello Everyone,
Neville, thank you for your e-mail. :)
I think that we have more people, more ways to interact and more specific niches of collaboration (even within the ambassador team). So, it is some how logic that some people write emails, others hang on IRC, others vote and not everyone is on all channels. So the grow it is not reflected the same on different instances, like voting. I do not want to force people to vote. Furthemore, with a flat structure and a high level of autonomy, for a lot of ambassadors it does not make much difference who is at Famsco.
Very true. :)
I feel that I did a warm job at Famsco. Not bad, but not great either. No enough people think is that bad as to change the way things are being doing... No enough people think is that great as to parade showing support.
I think you did a great job, Neville. ;)
In other hand, I think that probably will be useful to review how the ambassadors have been performing on things that are core to the team. Like for example how many events, and how many of those were properly reported. That it is more relevant for fedora project than if everybody voted.
That is a very good idea, and I concur 100%! :D
In any case, I would like to see ideas to increase vote interest that does not include compulsory voting. Specially because I have none.
I strongly agree with more increased voter interest, too. ;)
Please have a Great Fedora day! :~)
Thank You
Sincerely
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One stone; two birds.
To kill 2 birds with 1 stone.
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Hi,
I wish there were more ambassadors voted, even I am not going to be elected in such case. The percentage is relatively low but consider it is a freedom for voting in Fedora.
Although theoretically FAmSCo represents FAm team with certain powers that an ambassador does't have, as my exp be a FAmSCo member we had been performed as a "steering" where all ambassadors are the driver who decide where the FAm car goes. I personally am glad to the truth that FAmSCo has less influence than some other ambassadors, who had done excellent street works along many FAmSCo terms. They are real hero instead!
In an ideal world, all ambassadors are leaders and FAmSCo is a services sub-team who processes funding, event organising consultation and resource coordination for ambassadors.
Regards, kaio
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From: "Caius Chance" me@kaio.net To: ambassadors@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Friday, December 9, 2011 5:12:51 AM Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] FAMSCo 2011 Election Result
In an ideal world, all ambassadors are leaders and FAmSCo is a services sub-team who processes funding, event organising consultation and resource coordination for ambassadors.
+1. We can make it together.
Kind regards, Tuan
2011/12/7 Suresh Packiyarajah sureshp8@gmail.com:
Dear all,
Just i have read blog post from Fabian Affolter(known as fab) via planet fedoraproject.i would like to share it again to the ambassadors list because of we are having 545 people but it's seems 104 votes(~19%) have been made.yesterday i tried to verify how many of us have been voted but it is clear now.
It makes sense Just ~10 minutes is more than enough to read and cast your vote. Does this mean that they are lazy to do at least this?
Spending 10 minutes on voting is preposterous for 99% of the people eligible to vote. If you already know all the candidates personally and already understand the issues related to the body being elected you can vote in 10 minutes. Otherwise such a vote is damaging to the election process and not something we want to encourage.
How much time did I spend on voting this year. Let's say an hour or two reading through and thinking about the candidate questionnaires. Then there were the 5 townhalls where the candidates came to talk with those electing them directly in an open forum. Those were scheduled for one hour each but they all went longer I think. So let's say I spent another 6 or 7 hours at the townhalls, including one at 5am my time. I talked to several of the candidates and other contributors about election issues over the weeks leading up to the election. I think it is fair to say that being an engaged voter required at least 20 hours of my time in the past election.
If you only want to write numbers in boxes you can do that fast with little effort. If you want to actually participate in the elections as an informed and knowledgeable voter it will take time and effort on your part as a voter. It isn't being lazy for an eligible voter to feel that being a responsible voter takes too much effort, too much time he/she would rather spend doing something else. It isn't being lazy if you just don't care about the governance of the different parts of the Fedora Project. In my opinion, it is lazy to be a voter and only give 10 minutes of your time in the process.
John
On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 10:33 PM, inode0 inode0@gmail.com wrote:
Spending 10 minutes on voting is preposterous for 99% of the people eligible to vote. If you already know all the candidates personally and already understand the issues related to the body being elected you can vote in 10 minutes. Otherwise such a vote is damaging to the election process and not something we want to encourage.
Understood.
How much time did I spend on voting this year. Let's say an hour or two reading through and thinking about the candidate questionnaires. Then there were the 5 townhalls where the candidates came to talk with those electing them directly in an open forum. Those were scheduled for one hour each but they all went longer I think. So let's say I spent another 6 or 7 hours at the townhalls, including one at 5am my time. I talked to several of the candidates and other contributors about election issues over the weeks leading up to the election. I think it is fair to say that being an engaged voter required at least 20 hours of my time in the past election.
Do not confuse with 10 min what i said already.let me clear my point as usual we are spending some time by daily basic to read fedora mails and wiki ..so on.. so as i said that final 10 min enough to read instruction and cast your vote.
If you only want to write numbers in boxes you can do that fast with little effort. If you want to actually participate in the elections as an informed and knowledgeable voter it will take time and effort on your part as a voter. It isn't being lazy for an eligible voter to feel that being a responsible voter takes too much effort, too much time he/she would rather spend doing something else. It isn't being lazy if you just don't care about the governance of the different parts of the Fedora Project.
Good point and knowledgeable voter or active ambassadors,she/he already knows up to date news happening around fedora, also i hope they know each others on their region *only* if they are active.
In my opinion, it is lazy to be a voter and only give 10 minutes of your time in the process.
John
-Suresh
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