Hey, so, Dennis tells me we don't currently have an F24 two-week Atomic. I don't think we need Atomic as part of the actual Alpha compose/release, but as I understand it, the plan is to cut the two-week Atomic over to F24 base at the F24 release. In order to do that, it seems like having prerelease images built and passing tests is important.... or am I missing something?
On 03/17/2016 10:07 AM, Matthew Miller wrote:
Hey, so, Dennis tells me we don't currently have an F24 two-week Atomic. I don't think we need Atomic as part of the actual Alpha compose/release, but as I understand it, the plan is to cut the two-week Atomic over to F24 base at the F24 release. In order to do that, it seems like having prerelease images built and passing tests is important.... or am I missing something?
Makes sense to me.
On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 3:32 PM, Daniel J Walsh dwalsh@redhat.com wrote:
On 03/17/2016 10:07 AM, Matthew Miller wrote:
Hey, so, Dennis tells me we don't currently have an F24 two-week Atomic. I don't think we need Atomic as part of the actual Alpha compose/release, but as I understand it, the plan is to cut the two-week Atomic over to F24 base at the F24 release. In order to do that, it seems like having prerelease images built and passing tests is important.... or am I missing something?
Makes sense to me.
Yesterday I had a talk with Amanda Carter, who is coordinating the two-week-Atomic project. I was told that the Atomic content will be shipped together with F24 Alpha, even it is non-blocking deliverable. So, as I understand, we do not block F24 on Atomic, however we would like to have everything ready and sync F24 and Atomic releases.
(adding Amanda on CC as I am not sure she is a subscriber of this mailing list).
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On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 03:48:56PM +0100, Jan Kurik wrote:
Yesterday I had a talk with Amanda Carter, who is coordinating the two-week-Atomic project. I was told that the Atomic content will be shipped together with F24 Alpha, even it is non-blocking deliverable. So, as I understand, we do not block F24 on Atomic, however we would like to have everything ready and sync F24 and Atomic releases.
I guess I don't see the point of actually literally including the images in the Alpha compose -- it seems like getting the two-week prerelease-F24 working is the important part.
On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 4:03 PM, Matthew Miller mattdm@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 03:48:56PM +0100, Jan Kurik wrote:
Yesterday I had a talk with Amanda Carter, who is coordinating the two-week-Atomic project. I was told that the Atomic content will be shipped together with F24 Alpha, even it is non-blocking deliverable. So, as I understand, we do not block F24 on Atomic, however we would like to have everything ready and sync F24 and Atomic releases.
I guess I don't see the point of actually literally including the images in the Alpha compose -- it seems like getting the two-week prerelease-F24 working is the important part.
Yes, you have described it in a better way. That is exactly what my understanding is.
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From: "Jan Kurik" jkurik@redhat.com To: "Fedora Cloud SIG" cloud@lists.fedoraproject.org Cc: "Amanda Carter" acarter@redhat.com Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2016 11:17:28 AM Subject: Re: Fedora 24 and Atomic
On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 4:03 PM, Matthew Miller mattdm@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 03:48:56PM +0100, Jan Kurik wrote:
Yesterday I had a talk with Amanda Carter, who is coordinating the two-week-Atomic project. I was told that the Atomic content will be shipped together with F24 Alpha, even it is non-blocking deliverable. So, as I understand, we do not block F24 on Atomic, however we would like to have everything ready and sync F24 and Atomic releases.
I guess I don't see the point of actually literally including the images in the Alpha compose -- it seems like getting the two-week prerelease-F24 working is the important part.
Yes, you have described it in a better way. That is exactly what my understanding is.
I'm pretty sure Matt and Dennis already decided to pull Atomic out of the F24 compose and into a separate 2 week release stream last night. Do you guys need anything from my side or need me to track anything down?
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On Thu, 2016-03-17 at 18:54 -0400, Amanda Carter wrote:
I guess I don't see the point of actually literally including the images in the Alpha compose -- it seems like getting the two-week prerelease-F24 working is the important part.
Yes, you have described it in a better way. That is exactly what my understanding is.
I'm pretty sure Matt and Dennis already decided to pull Atomic out of the F24 compose and into a separate 2 week release stream last night. Do you guys need anything from my side or need me to track anything down?
For the record, I'm pretty sure Atomic compose has never actually worked as part of the Pungi 4 compose process or the previous automated nightly compose process. Composing Atomic images has always been something of a separate hack that was done manually for pre-F24 TC/RC composes, and is scripted as a separate thing for the two-week Atomic composes.
AFAIK there have been no Fedora 24 Atomic images produced at all, ever.
I believe Dennis was planning as a short-term thing to graft the Atomic compose process onto the Pungi 4 compose process by running the Atomic compose bits and then somehow jamming the outputs into the Pungi 4 compose tree and patching the metadata or something along those lines, but if I'm understanding this thread correctly it sounds like he's decided instead to port the entirely standalone 'two week Atomic' compose process to F24.
(FWIW, my opinion is that this is a mess and priority should be given to *properly* integrating creation of the Atomic deliverables into Pungi 4).