Hi :)
Since Atomic will be the primary focus of this WG (F24+,) the presentation of the Atomic and cloud images on the main Fedora website should be updated to reflect that. (See [1] and [2].)
Last week, Matthew and I talked about how we might do this; the idea we thought might work best is the following:
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- Consider replacing the “Cloud” edition slot on the front of getfedora.org with a Fedora “Atomic” edition brand.
- Convert getfedora.org/cloud to focus instead solely on Atomic (maybe redoing the URL to getfedora.org/atomic.
- Build out a separate cloud image resource site (similar to arm.fedoraproject.org, which is focused on all ARM-related builds across Fedora) with the full set of Cloud Base images (and maybe Fedora Docker containers too?) Then, pull these in to the Atomic edition site via a link in the “Other Downloads” section. (cross link back to atomic from cloud.fpo too.)
--
I find it hard to understand if something like this might work without visuals, so I put together a (very, super-duper, fantastically rough) mockup for this new cloud.fedoraproject.org:
https://github.com/fedoradesign/fedora-spins/blob/master/cloud/cloud-mockup_...
I pretty much just threw it into the arm.fpo template; it's quite a bit more cluttered in terms of instructions / explanation needed for various image types than arm.fpo, so I think the layout should be reconfigured quite a bit to get rid of the cluttered feel.
That being said -
- Do you think a site like this for the base cloud images would work well, given enough prominence on the main Fedora website as well as the Atomic product site? Is this the kind of list of images/AMIs a cloud image user is going to find most helpful?
- Should the docker image live on here? Or would that be better served by a more generic 'other images' site for Fedora images?
- Is the installable image a cloud base image or an atomic image? Who would use it and why? Does it belong here as well?
~m
[1] https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/cloud/2015-September/005832.html
[2] http://blog.linuxgrrl.com/2015/09/15/fedora-atomic-logo-idea/
- Convert getfedora.org/cloud to focus instead solely on Atomic (maybe
redoing the URL togetfedora.org/atomic.
- Build out a separate cloud image resource site
I like the idea of new Atomic spaces. Rather than eliminate the getfedora.org/cloud entirely, could we have it redirect to the new resource site? The mockup is a good start, I'd swap EC2 and Vagrant.
- Should the docker image live on here? Or would that be better served by a
more generic 'other images' site for Fedora images?
I'd say the adoption of Fedora as a Docker image base layer is low at the moment and wouldn't be harmed by having more than one way to find it. It could be associated with the cloud (cloud based container services as an entry point) and with the Atomic resources. What are the issues presented by having it on multiple sites (link maintenance comes to mind)?
- Is the installable image a cloud base image or an atomic image? Who would
use it and why? Does it belong here as well?
That looks to be the Atomic ISO installer. Use case is for creating a bare metal container host or virtual host installed from CD, say for an unsupported hypervisor. I'd expect to find it in the Atomic resources not the cloud resources.
Overall great forward progress! Thanks much!
- Matt M
On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 9:16 AM, Máirín Duffy duffy@redhat.com wrote:
Hi :)
Since Atomic will be the primary focus of this WG (F24+,) the presentation of the Atomic and cloud images on the main Fedora website should be updated to reflect that. (See [1] and [2].)
Last week, Matthew and I talked about how we might do this; the idea we thought might work best is the following:
--
- Consider replacing the “Cloud” edition slot on the front of
getfedora.org with a Fedora “Atomic” edition brand.
- Convert getfedora.org/cloud to focus instead solely on Atomic (maybe
redoing the URL to getfedora.org/atomic.
- Build out a separate cloud image resource site (similar to
arm.fedoraproject.org, which is focused on all ARM-related builds across Fedora) with the full set of Cloud Base images (and maybe Fedora Docker containers too?) Then, pull these in to the Atomic edition site via a link in the “Other Downloads” section. (cross link back to atomic from cloud.fpo too.)
--
I find it hard to understand if something like this might work without visuals, so I put together a (very, super-duper, fantastically rough) mockup for this new cloud.fedoraproject.org:
https://github.com/fedoradesign/fedora-spins/blob/master/cloud/cloud-mockup_...
I pretty much just threw it into the arm.fpo template; it's quite a bit more cluttered in terms of instructions / explanation needed for various image types than arm.fpo, so I think the layout should be reconfigured quite a bit to get rid of the cluttered feel.
That being said -
- Do you think a site like this for the base cloud images would work well,
given enough prominence on the main Fedora website as well as the Atomic product site? Is this the kind of list of images/AMIs a cloud image user is going to find most helpful?
- Should the docker image live on here? Or would that be better served by
a more generic 'other images' site for Fedora images?
- Is the installable image a cloud base image or an atomic image? Who
would use it and why? Does it belong here as well?
~m
[1] https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/cloud/2015-September/005832.html
[2] http://blog.linuxgrrl.com/2015/09/15/fedora-atomic-logo-idea/ _______________________________________________ cloud mailing list cloud@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/cloud Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Any other feedback for Mo?
On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 09:16:33AM -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote:
Hi :)
Since Atomic will be the primary focus of this WG (F24+,) the presentation of the Atomic and cloud images on the main Fedora website should be updated to reflect that. (See [1] and [2].)
Last week, Matthew and I talked about how we might do this; the idea we thought might work best is the following:
--
- Consider replacing the “Cloud” edition slot on the front of
getfedora.org with a Fedora “Atomic” edition brand.
- Convert getfedora.org/cloud to focus instead solely on Atomic
(maybe redoing the URL to getfedora.org/atomic.
- Build out a separate cloud image resource site (similar to
arm.fedoraproject.org, which is focused on all ARM-related builds across Fedora) with the full set of Cloud Base images (and maybe Fedora Docker containers too?) Then, pull these in to the Atomic edition site via a link in the “Other Downloads” section. (cross link back to atomic from cloud.fpo too.)
--
I find it hard to understand if something like this might work without visuals, so I put together a (very, super-duper, fantastically rough) mockup for this new cloud.fedoraproject.org:
https://github.com/fedoradesign/fedora-spins/blob/master/cloud/cloud-mockup_...
I pretty much just threw it into the arm.fpo template; it's quite a bit more cluttered in terms of instructions / explanation needed for various image types than arm.fpo, so I think the layout should be reconfigured quite a bit to get rid of the cluttered feel.
That being said -
- Do you think a site like this for the base cloud images would work
well, given enough prominence on the main Fedora website as well as the Atomic product site? Is this the kind of list of images/AMIs a cloud image user is going to find most helpful?
- Should the docker image live on here? Or would that be better
served by a more generic 'other images' site for Fedora images?
- Is the installable image a cloud base image or an atomic image?
Who would use it and why? Does it belong here as well?
~m
[1] https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/cloud/2015-September/005832.html
[2] http://blog.linuxgrrl.com/2015/09/15/fedora-atomic-logo-idea/ _______________________________________________ cloud mailing list cloud@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/cloud Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
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