Ubuntu

[Mark Constable]

> One thing was unresolved was the instructions for how to get it running
> on Arch Linux.

Damn I miss using Arch but I have to go with a system supported by mainstream
hosting providers. Every VPS provider offers Ubuntu/Debian installs but DO is
the only hosting provider I've seen that provides Arch images. There may be
some others but it's rare compared to ubuntu.

So, may I ask what the state of support for Ubuntu might be these days seeing
that 15.04 will include fairly complete systemd support?

[Stef Walter]

On 07.01.2015 14:02, Mark Constable wrote:
> > One thing was unresolved was the instructions for how to get it running
> > on Arch Linux.
>
> Damn I miss using Arch but I have to go with a system supported by
> mainstream
> hosting providers. Every VPS provider offers Ubuntu/Debian installs but
> DO is
> the only hosting provider I've seen that provides Arch images. There may be
> some others but it's rare compared to ubuntu.
>
> So, may I ask what the state of support for Ubuntu might be these days
> seeing
> that 15.04 will include fairly complete systemd support?

The reason we were asking about Arch instructions, is because it's
already been packaged there by some nice folk.

We're looking for someone to get a PPA started for Ubuntu, or at least
get one started, and then I could perhaps contribute to it. I agree that
it should be pretty straightforward.

Are you interested in working together on an Ubuntu PPA?

Stef

[OFFLIST] Re: Ubuntu

[Mark Constable]

FWIW, and offlist because I am being critical of Arch, and Debian.
> The reason we were asking about Arch instructions, is because it's
> already been packaged there by some nice folk.

I was briefly a maintainer of the original AUR package. I didn't do much
but kept it on life support until someone else more competent took over.
> We're looking for someone to get a PPA started for Ubuntu, or at least
> get one started, and then I could perhaps contribute to it. I agree that
> it should be pretty straightforward.

Yes, for anyone that has already created PPA packages it's probably a
breeze but for me I'd have to start from scratch and RTFM and compared
to using makepkg on Arch I find it hard to get enthused.

This is the best I can do atm (spread the word a bit)...

https://github.com/oerdnj/deb.sury.org/issues/38

Perhaps if you add a comment it might help Ondre consider it.
> Are you interested in working together on an Ubuntu PPA?

I certainly could provide some testing.

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This is the real FWIW part, just ignore if busy...

I gave up on Arch because of their abrupt switch to systemd which broke
my Arch servers for the 3rd time in a year (after a move to /usr/lib and
all binaries in /usr/bin). I can deal with that but I could never let
my clients use Arch on their servers... so being pee'd off with Debian
for being too slow with updates I settled on ubuntu as my best choice.

Now I have nginx 1.6, php 5.5, mariadb 5.5 on all servers and even the
latest courier-mta thanks to Ondres PPA. Me now 99.9% happy.

The only reason I am at all interested in systemd is because of cockpit.

I'm not against systemd like the Devuan folks but I am wary that such a
significant change to major core systems is... yet to be proven (to me)
as being a worthwhile change and worthy of the code bloat.

However, a websocket server in front of a system, like systemd, suddenly
makes sense of systemd and definitely justifies the monolithic approach
of systemd, and even the use of Go to build cockpit itself is also
justified for performance (compared to a scripted language.)

My main interest with cockpit, once I can use it on a current ubuntu
server, will be to provide an ultra simple PHP+BS4 frontend so the
cockpit workflow can be more easily integrated with other PHP apps
on a standard LEMP server.

[OFFLIST] Re: Ubuntu

[Stef Walter]

Wanted to include a partial response below to the list about extending
Cockpit, in case it helps anyone.

On 08.01.2015 04:39, Mark Constable wrote:
> My main interest with cockpit, once I can use it on a current ubuntu
> server, will be to provide an ultra simple PHP+BS4 frontend so the
> cockpit workflow can be more easily integrated with other PHP apps
> on a standard LEMP server.

Cool. And it's also really easy to add UI (eg: plugins) to Cockpit, so
if you have a workflow that needs extra UI it could be done like so:

http://stef.thewalter.net/creating-plugins-for-the-cockpit-user-interface.ht...
http://stef.thewalter.net/using-dbus-from-javascript-in-cockpit.html

You can also execute apps, write files, etc... All the current internal
API that's usable from the UI is documented here:

http://files.cockpit-project.org/guide/latest/api-cockpit.html

Not all stable yet, but we want to have it stable shortly.

Stef