Since the list of Fedora 36 changes is rather large we are going to have a "pre-meeting" tomorrow. The goal is to try to identify and remove from consideration changes that don't affect FCOS.
We will also have the regularly scheduled meeting where we will talk about changes that aren't so obviously innocuous. All are welcome to attend:
Time: 15:30 UTC (one hour before community meeting) on Wednesday February 9th Location: #fedora-meeting-2 on libera.chat Agenda/Notes: https://hackmd.io/kyMDKu25T76xAsUaSjMzHQ?view
Dusty
On 2/8/22 15:40, Dusty Mabe wrote:
Since the list of Fedora 36 changes is rather large we are going to have a "pre-meeting" tomorrow. The goal is to try to identify and remove from consideration changes that don't affect FCOS.
We will also have the regularly scheduled meeting where we will talk about changes that aren't so obviously innocuous. All are welcome to attend:
Time: 15:30 UTC (one hour before community meeting) on Wednesday February 9th Location: #fedora-meeting-2 on libera.chat Agenda/Notes: https://hackmd.io/kyMDKu25T76xAsUaSjMzHQ?view
We met. Here are the notes from the meeting:
Minutes: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2022-02-09/fedora_coreos_... Minutes (text): https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2022-02-09/fedora_coreos_... Log: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2022-02-09/fedora_coreos_...
==================================================== #fedora-meeting-2: fedora_coreos_f36_changes_meeting ====================================================
Meeting started by dustymabe at 15:30:13 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2022-02-09/fedora_coreos_... .
Meeting summary --------------- * roll call (dustymabe, 15:30:19)
* Identify Changes that shouldn't affect us (dustymabe, 15:32:40) * LINK: https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/918 (dustymabe, 15:32:43) * LINK: https://hackmd.io/kyMDKu25T76xAsUaSjMzHQ?view (dustymabe, 15:33:19) * 231 "Silverblue and Kinoite will have /var on its own Btrfs subvolume" doesn't affect us because we are our own edition (dustymabe, 15:35:31) * 201. glibc 32 Build Adjustments: Not affected, we don't ship this package in FCOS (travier, 15:44:01) * 202. Ship BerkleyDB backend as a module: We don't ship this package in FCOS (travier, 15:45:53) * 203 - Modular GNOME Keyring services: We don't ship this in FCOS (travier, 15:46:53) * 204. Remove nscd: We don't ship this in FCOS (travier, 15:47:58) * 230 - "️Authselect: Require explicit opt-out" No action for us is needed. This change was essentially requested by us to workaround issues with writing to /var/ during RPM Scriptlets. (dustymabe, 15:48:53) * LINK: https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1051 (dustymabe, 15:49:04) * 229 - "Cockpit File Sharing" - No changes for us. FCOS doesn't use cockpit directly. (dustymabe, 15:50:04) * 205. SOF as default audio driver for Intel LPE hardware: For audio devices, should not impact FCOS users (dustymabe, 15:53:10) * 206. PHP 8.1: We don't ship this in FCOS (dustymabe, 15:53:14) * 228 - "Wayland by Default for SDDM" - DWM: No action needed. FCOS doesn't use the SDDM graphical display manager. (dustymabe, 15:54:14) * 227 - "Ruby on Rails 7.0" - DWM: No action needed. We don't ship Ruby in FCOS. (dustymabe, 15:55:42) * 207. Setuptools 58+: We don't ship this in FCOS (travier, 15:56:09) * 226 - MLT-7 - No action needed. We don't ship the MLT multimedia framework in FCOS. (dustymabe, 15:57:07) * 225 - Malayalam Default Fonts Update - No action needed. We don't ship these fonts in FCOS (dustymabe, 15:58:58) * 105 - Autoconf-2.71 - not a runtime concern (lucab, 15:59:56) * 107 - libffi 3.4 - mass rebuild should take care of this (lucab, 16:01:13) * 224 - "Ibus-table cangjie default for zh_HK" - No action needed. We don't ship any ibus packages in FCOS. (dustymabe, 16:01:13) * 223 - "New requirements for akmods binary kernel modules for Silverblue / Kinoite support" - No action needed. We don't support akmods based binary kernel modules. (dustymabe, 16:02:59) * 208 - Retired Packages: We should check that we don't ship retired packages (unlikely) but apart from that, does not apply to us (travier, 16:03:11) * 222 - "No ifcfg by default" - No action needed. We haven't supported ifcfh style networking configuration files from the beginning. (dustymabe, 16:04:13) * 220 - "Django 4.0" - No action needed. We don't ship Django in FCOS. (dustymabe, 16:05:59) * 108 - MinGW debug symbols location change - skip, should not concern FCOS (lucab, 16:06:41) * 109 - skip: we don’t ship dnf, we don’t turn on recommends, and “upgrades” work differently on FCOS anyway (jlebon, 16:06:44) * 110 - This has affected FCOS and we’ve already adapted to it by working with the maintainer. All issues should be resolved now. (jlebon, 16:07:00) * 218 - "Users are administrators by default in the installer GUI" - No action needed. We don't use the Anaconda Installer. (dustymabe, 16:07:09) * 209 - Ansible 5: We don't ship this in FCOS (travier, 16:07:26) * 111 - may affect users who use NIS+? likely not though. If so, we should direct them to e.g. LDAP or FreeIPA as the Change proposal suggests. so overall, skip. (jlebon, 16:08:22) * 112 - no immediate action, though may affect users using OpenLDAP: "Years of development differ between these two releases, so problems are expected." (jlebon, 16:08:27) * 219 - GHC compiler parallel version installs - skip, should not concern FCOS (lucab, 16:08:42) * 113 - this should be entirely transparent to us. (jlebon, 16:09:42) * 114 - same as #111 (jlebon, 16:10:11) * 210 - Rubygem Cucumber 7.1.0: We don't ship this in FCOS (dustymabe, 16:11:43) * 115 - skip; we don't ship Java (jlebon, 16:12:36) * 116 - skip; we don't ship or consume or monitor anything from EPEL/ELN currently AFAIK (jlebon, 16:12:58) * 117 - this is from us :) we are already tracking and working on it. (jlebon, 16:13:17) * 118 - no immediate action, but we should keep an eye out on any possible fallout from some OS components (jlebon, 16:13:34) * 119 - skip; we don't ship a GUI (jlebon, 16:13:51) * 217 - LXQt 1.0.0 - No action needed. We don't use LXQt desktop environment in FCOS. (dustymabe, 16:13:58) * 120 - no immediate action needed from us, but we should keep an eye on Golang-related fallout in our Go-based tooling and OS components. should add 1.18 to upstream CIs once it's out. (jlebon, 16:14:05) * 121 - skip; AFAIK none of our projects use LLVM directly (and AFAIK Rust has its own vendored LLVM) (jlebon, 16:14:37) * 122 - skip; we don't ship Ruby (jlebon, 16:14:47) * 216 - PostgreSQL 14 - No action needed. We don't ship PostgreSQL. (dustymabe, 16:14:56) * 123 - skip; should mostly be transparent to us. At least rpm-ostree and ostree use the %configure macro so already get those flags. (jlebon, 16:15:05) * 124 - skip; we don't ship fonts (jlebon, 16:15:18) * 211 - Stratis 3.0.0: We don't ship this in FCOS today. Tracking issue for Stratis support in FCOS is https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/722 (travier, 16:16:15) * 125 - this regressed in rpm-ostree: https://github.com/coreos/rpm-ostree/issues/3418 which affects FSB, but not FCOS where we don't ship this (jlebon, 16:16:17) * 214 - Unit Names in Systemd Messages - skip, no action needed for FCOS (lucab, 16:16:23) * 126 - already tracked in rpm-ostree (jlebon, 16:16:30) * 215 - Plocate as the default locate implementation - No action needed. We don't ship mlocate so we won't ship plocate. (dustymabe, 16:16:37) * 212 - Remove .la files from buildroot: This is for packaging only. Should not impact FCOS directly (travier, 16:19:27) * 221 is a good candidate for discussion (travier, 16:20:56) * 213 - Remove Wire Extensions Support - No action needed. This is removing very old wireless encryption (WEP) support. By default we don't use WiFi in FCOS. There is no reason for us to differ from the rest of Fedora here. (dustymabe, 16:21:58) * 125 - Hunspell Dictionary dir change - skip, already tracked in a rpm-ostree ticket, not a FCOS concern (lucab, 16:22:00)
Meeting ended at 16:28:47 UTC.
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