Les Mikesell wrote:
(b) making sleep/hibernate reliable is what laptop users need instead of booting all the time anyway because it is much faster if you can simply close the lid and open it later with all your apps working as you left them.
This is actually the strongest argument against spending a lot of resources on going sub 20 seconds. If Vista-style suspend-to-both works reliably, there is no reason to turn a machine off at all.
That said, doesn't mean we shouldn't clean up cruft.
Hans de Goede wrote:
- Load some services after gdm is up, for example cron, anacron, at,
setroubleshootd
Please, no setroubleshootd by default. What's the point? Read section "The rest" in my blog post:
http://mces.blogspot.com/2008/12/improving-login-time-part-3.html
Horst H. von Brand wrote:
how about not running a full MTA on a laptop/client install... at all?
That works if you have reliable, continuous access to the 'net. Not my case, sorry.
Don't you have to configure the MTA if you want to use it? I mean, when a normal user configures Thunderbird/Evo/... it puts the SMTP address that their mail provider gave them (smtp.gmail.com, etc), NOT localhost. If you are an advanced-enough user to set it to localhost and configure your MTA to point it to your remote SMTP server, sure you don't mind a "yum install sendmail" first, do you?
I always wondered what the point of having a mail server installed and started by default is. The only use I have found for it is to deliver reports to root. But on my typical Fedora installs (that is, anything other than servers), I don't read root mail. The default MTA is simply useless for normal desktop/laptop machine unless you configure it. As such, it should be turned off by default, and hence removed from default install.
Not it surprises me that every time I suggest something should be turned off by default, someone shouts "please, no, I use that!"...
Matej Cepl wrote:
On 2008-12-16, 16:09 GMT, Peter Robinson wrote:
Nothing to say you can't re-enable it yourself. I don't have a permanent connection to the net but evolution happily holds it in my outbox until I go back online and can connect to a network. Fedora can
I have a nasty surprise for you -- Fedora is not Windows, so it would is not only for people who use Evolution / Kmail / Thunderbird.
See above. On a similar line of though, how about: "please install and enable httpd, postgresql, and squid" by default because I use them...
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