On Tue, 2008-12-16 at 16:03 -0500, Behdad Esfahbod wrote:
Les Mikesell wrote:
(b) making sleep/hibernate reliable is what laptop users need instead of booting all the time anyway because it is much faster if you can simply close the lid and open it later with all your apps working as you left them.
This is actually the strongest argument against spending a lot of resources on going sub 20 seconds. If Vista-style suspend-to-both works reliably, there is no reason to turn a machine off at all.
That said, doesn't mean we shouldn't clean up cruft.
Indeed. There are still plenty of reasons why reboots happen, so speeding up boot is worthwhile.
Hans de Goede wrote:
- Load some services after gdm is up, for example cron, anacron, at,
setroubleshootd
Please, no setroubleshootd by default. What's the point? Read section "The rest" in my blog post:
Dan is working on making setroubleshoot suck less -- the idea of notifying you of problems even if the only thing you can do is report them isn't bad. The implementation is less than ideal :)
Horst H. von Brand wrote:
how about not running a full MTA on a laptop/client install... at all?
That works if you have reliable, continuous access to the 'net. Not my case, sorry.
Don't you have to configure the MTA if you want to use it? I mean, when a normal user configures Thunderbird/Evo/... it puts the SMTP address that their mail provider gave them (smtp.gmail.com, etc), NOT localhost. If you are an advanced-enough user to set it to localhost and configure your MTA to point it to your remote SMTP server, sure you don't mind a "yum install sendmail" first, do you?
Yeah, I think that this is probably the right path although it definitely is going to be a noisy path. FWIW, even mutt users don't need sendmail anymore -- see 'set smtp_url'.
Jeremy