Hi list,
Yesterday, I posted a blog entry[1] about Fedora 10 Release on my blog and mentioned the Fedora 10 Spins availability with link to Fedora Project page[2]. I have received a comment[3] which says,
"I might be interested in some of the spins, but it's hard to tell. The names contain acronyms, and the description simply repeats the acronym. Unless I recognize what that acronym is, the name is useless. What's FEL, AOS or broffice? XFCE is the only one I know, though others might not even know that.
Since the table has a description field for each spin, why not (at least) expand the acronyms so folks have a clue as to whether or not it might be useful? Even better, a link to a page describing the spin in more detail. If it's worth the time and effort to create, it should be worth the time it takes to write a paragraph describing it."
Well, I also got confused by the acronyms, but quick googling suggested the Fedora Project Wiki already has pages describing the acronyms in details. I request people maintaining the spins to link the description to their respective wiki pages.
[1] http://fedora.co.in/content/fedora-10-cambridge-released [2] http://spins.fedoraproject.org/ [3] http://fedora.co.in/content/fedora-10-cambridge-released#comment-573
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Kulbir Saini wrote:
Well, I also got confused by the acronyms, but quick googling suggested the Fedora Project Wiki already has pages describing the acronyms in details. I request people maintaining the spins to link the description to their respective wiki pages.
Or better stick to the plan and make the spins page into something usable and friendly, like those old mockups: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Spins/Mockups
Kulbir Saini wrote:
Hi list,
Yesterday, I posted a blog entry[1] about Fedora 10 Release on myblog and mentioned the Fedora 10 Spins availability with link to Fedora Project page[2]. I have received a comment[3] which says,
"I might be interested in some of the spins, but it's hard to tell.The names contain acronyms, and the description simply repeats the acronym. Unless I recognize what that acronym is, the name is useless. What's FEL, AOS or broffice? XFCE is the only one I know, though others might not even know that.
Chitlesh threw this together yesterday: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Spins/10
-- Rex
On Wed, 2008-11-26 at 17:23 +0530, Kulbir Saini wrote:
Since the table has a description field for each spin, why not (atleast) expand the acronyms so folks have a clue as to whether or not it might be useful? Even better, a link to a page describing the spin in more detail. If it's worth the time and effort to create, it should be worth the time it takes to write a paragraph describing it."
In my opinion, if the user is driven to the torrent page in the raw, we've already lost. Fedora is providing resources to compose and host the spins, but in my opinion it is up to the SIG behind each spin to take on the advertisement and driving of users to that particular spin. They best know the content, the audience, etc.. and are best suited to create page content and advertise it.
On Wed, 26 Nov 2008, Jesse Keating wrote:
On Wed, 2008-11-26 at 17:23 +0530, Kulbir Saini wrote:
Since the table has a description field for each spin, why not (atleast) expand the acronyms so folks have a clue as to whether or not it might be useful? Even better, a link to a page describing the spin in more detail. If it's worth the time and effort to create, it should be worth the time it takes to write a paragraph describing it."
In my opinion, if the user is driven to the torrent page in the raw, we've already lost. Fedora is providing resources to compose and host the spins, but in my opinion it is up to the SIG behind each spin to take on the advertisement and driving of users to that particular spin. They best know the content, the audience, etc.. and are best suited to create page content and advertise it.
If I'm a user and I don't know where to go, the reality is, I go to google.
type in 'fedora torrents' the first hit is torrent.fp.o - so that page needs to be relatively clear to users.
Saying "We've already lost" doesn't help the reality at all, which is google directs. Let's work w/i the reality.
-sv
On Wed, 2008-11-26 at 11:46 -0500, Seth Vidal wrote:
If I'm a user and I don't know where to go, the reality is, I go to google.
type in 'fedora torrents' the first hit is torrent.fp.o - so that page needs to be relatively clear to users.
Saying "We've already lost" doesn't help the reality at all, which is google directs. Let's work w/i the reality.
Glad we put so much effort into making get.fedoraproject.org so useful.
If people want better descriptions for the spins, the spin owners are going to have to provide those as part of the feature process to become a hosted spin for a release. The amount of feedback and interaction between spin owners and releng when composing the spins, and feedback after spins went live for beta/preview/etc.. was appallingly non-existent in most cases.
Jesse Keating wrote:
On Wed, 2008-11-26 at 11:46 -0500, Seth Vidal wrote:
If I'm a user and I don't know where to go, the reality is, I go to google.
type in 'fedora torrents' the first hit is torrent.fp.o - so that page needs to be relatively clear to users.
Saying "We've already lost" doesn't help the reality at all, which is google directs. Let's work w/i the reality.
Glad we put so much effort into making get.fedoraproject.org so useful.
If people want better descriptions for the spins, the spin owners are going to have to provide those as part of the feature process to become a hosted spin for a release. The amount of feedback and interaction between spin owners and releng when composing the spins, and feedback after spins went live for beta/preview/etc.. was appallingly non-existent in most cases.
Is the goal to add a better description on the torrents page, or have the get.fedoraproject.org "See all custom Spins" redirect to some place else? I would assume the latter.
-- bk
On Mon, 2008-12-01 at 09:01 -0500, Bryan Kearney wrote:
Is the goal to add a better description on the torrents page, or have the get.fedoraproject.org "See all custom Spins" redirect to some place else? I would assume the latter.
I would assume the latter as well, a list of each spin and a link to a site for that spin. I think that's the concept that Mo worked up at last FUDCon.
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