On Thu, Jun 13, 2024 at 11:44 AM Ben Cotton bcotton@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On Wed, Jun 12, 2024 at 10:51 PM Gary Buhrmaster gary.buhrmaster@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jun 13, 2024 at 1:35 AM Kevin Kofler via devel devel@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote:
But it is the ONLY approach that is compatible with Fedora policies, and as such should be required. ESPECIALLY for a package like QEMU that many people are using.
Please provide your audited (by a 3rd party) data that shows that MANY (i.e. significant percentage of) people on x86_64-v1 users have a need for qemu.
Those without actual data are simply offering an opinion, and should be dismissed without further consideration.
We will all wait for your 3rd party validation of your data.
This isn't a constructive way to have the conversation. As you pointed out in an earlier message, no one has this data, so all of us are left to take our best guess at it. Let's be respectful to each other about it.
For myself, I think it's reasonable to conclude there's a non-trivial amount of people using QEMU on that hardware in some fashion. Much of that is probably from podman as opposed to running large virtualized environments at this point, but the podman use case is important for a lot of people.
From the previous times the baseline conversation has happened, I suspect that I am more open to raising it than Kevin is, but I agree with his general direction here. Absent reliable data, I tend toward a conservative approach to dropping hardware support. But there's no easy answer here.
If QEMU upstream is *really* set on unconditionally raising their required x86_64 ISA version, and cannot be convinced that this course of action would be painful for distributions like Fedora, then I think we should at least have a self-contained change for the QEMU update that introduces this change.
Fabio