On Wed, 17 Dec 2008, Behdad Esfahbod wrote:
Les Mikesell wrote:
> Jerry Amundson wrote:
>> On Wed December 17 2008 13:59:14 Jeff Spaleta wrote:
>>> 2008/12/17 Till Maas <opensource(a)till.name>:
>>>> They may also require /usr/bin/sendmail, e.g.:
>>> I think for the purposes of the discussion... anything which provides
>>> that file is something Behdad is going to rage madly against
"needing"
>>> in modern personal desktop experience default install target.
>>
>> Rightly so, I think. For the 'modern personal desktop' (hope I used
>> the correct quotes there :-), the critical system messages deserve to
>> be delivered to the active (or soon to be) desktop, rather than a
>> passive log file.
>
> What does that mean? Has Linux stopped being a multiuser system?
You're sounding like a troll now. The phrase "modern personal desktop"
was
quite twice in the two-paragraph you replied to.
Just install the server spin and be happy. What's wrong with that?
the problem is that a lot of the notification utilities/tools seem to be
developed exclusively with a desktop/laptop in mind. Not with a server
infrastructure and a sysadmin-controlled-environment in mind.
In short, stop talking about desktop/laptop-centric notifications.
If you want to get rid of sendmail-style notifications then using the same
notification infrastructure make sure that at introduction there are
tools to notify a user on the desktop AND to get a message out in one of
the older styles, like sending an email.
And I don't mean a tool like 'oh just run oddjob' I mean something
tailored to do that. It's not an unreasonable request and since fedora
(and rhel which derives from fedora) are not desktop-only distros it is a
perfectly sensible thing to do.
The most obvious thing I've not seen, yet, is a notification->email dbus
listener. That would allow interaction to the mail notifications that Les
(and A LOT of sysadmins) want and it would also allow someone to learn how
to do that better. Dbus-notifications to nagios or zabbix, for example.
Does that make sense?
-sv