On 12.06.2009 18:24, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 14:00:06 +0200 Thorsten Leemhuis fedora@leemhuis.info wrote:
On 09.06.2009 21:44, Xavier Bachelot wrote:
Is anyone taking care of the stable push for June ?
FWIW, there IIRC wasn't even one in May either iirc.
I guess Thorsten is probably busy with other stuff,
Yes, sorry, I was really busy with lot of RPM Fusion stuff and real life; EPEL moved off by radar so I forgot about it.
In fact I feared exactly that and that was the reason why I months ago (is it even more then a year now? not sure, can't remember) tried to get away from EPEL nearly completely (¹), which was running quite fine back then.
But the latter not the case anymore. Sure, packagers are still doing a whole lot of good work, but leadership/steering is afaics nearly not existent at all, which IMHO is a dangerous situation for a project like EPEL (especially as RHEL6 is not that far away anymore and we need to be prepared for that).
Well, somewhat agreed. What critical issue is waiting to be addressed?
I didn't follow the EPEL that closely, but these are the things that sprung to my mind without consulting the archives:
- the "java is now in RHEL and EPEL" issue - how to prevent things like the java issue in the future - prepare for RHEL6 -- how do we get lot of Fedora packages into EPEL for release day, as it later get hard for packagers - can we make peace with CentOS and Dag somehow? - can we make support CentOS in the phases better, where RHEL X.Y is out, but Centos ist still on X.(Y-1) - koji/bodhi status - do we have one look and feel? I got the impression that some packagers update their packagers more in a Fedora-like way, while others are more debian-like (which up to a point is okay, but I'm not sure if we have left that point behind us)
There are likely more things.
Some examples: No weekly reports for months (which were a requirement from FESCo when the EPEL Steering Committee was formed and thus should still be written!), nearly no meetings and the steering committee obviously doesn't even care if testing -> stable move get done. Hey, not even one of the steering committee members actually answered your mail in the past few days which IMHO tells us everything already.
I have tried (twice or three times, I forget) to get regular meetings going again. Either I can't get a time where everyone can attend, no one does attend, or people forget about the meetings.
Meetings itself are not important, solving problems and improving the project is -- that can be done via the list to if people want to.
Or IOW: what exactly did the steering committee do over the past six months? Nearly nothing I'd say. Dglimore (maybe one or two others from the Steering Committee; not sure,) did some work for koji and bodhi for EPEL, but that's nearly all afaics.
Agreed. What items do you think should be addressed?
See above.
iirc, there are some perms issue.
That is still the case afaics. Only dglimore can actually do the push and testing->stable moves.
Yes, this is the case as far as I know.
Another problem that IMHO should have get solved -- relying on one person and putting all the push-work on that persons shoulder IMHO is bad for everyone.
(¹) Yes, I did prepare a few stable pushes over the past few months to help out, but I mentioned a few times already that I didn't really want to do them anymore; looking back at it I should have made it more clear to prevent the current situation; sorry for that;
yeah, sorry if people have been bugging you on that.
No need to say sorry. Actually I would have had not much of a problem to prepare another push or two if the Steering Committee or someone would have asked me to. It just felt of my radar -- and even if I had remembered it it likely would have felt a bit like "hey, seems the Steering Committee is mostly inactive, so why should I invest my time then".
CU knurd