8:17 a.m.
What is the status of kaffeine in relation to KDE4? Does anyone know whether
it is a porting work-in-progress, or whether the current KDE3 version is the
end of the line? I no longer like amarok, and find kaffeine suits me well
enough, but I'm concerned that KDE3 apps like this will just fade away.
Any comfort in sight?
Anne
8:47 a.m.
Rex Dieter wrote:
Anne Wilson wrote:
> What is the status of kaffeine in relation to KDE4? Does anyone know whether
> it is a porting work-in-progress,
If memory serves, the porting work has indeed begun... (no news of
progress beyond that).
According to http://kaffeine.kde.org/
"Yes, we are working on the KDE 4 version.
And yes, it will use Phonon.
This will take some time because:
- We are rewriting most of the code to introduce new features.
- Phonon does not yet support all the features we need.
Be patient, and stay tuned !"
Tim
8:58 a.m.
Tim Wunder wrote:
Rex Dieter wrote:
> Anne Wilson wrote:
>> What is the status of kaffeine in relation to KDE4? Does anyone know whether
>> it is a porting work-in-progress,
> If memory serves, the porting work has indeed begun... (no news of
> progress beyond that).
>
According to http://kaffeine.kde.org/
"Yes, we are working on the KDE 4 version.
And yes, it will use Phonon.
This will take some time because:
- We are rewriting most of the code to introduce new features.
- Phonon does not yet support all the features we need.
Be patient, and stay tuned !"
Of course, I saw the 2/15 post date of that and thought it was current. :(
4:03 a.m.
On Tuesday 17 February 2009 14:58:43 Tim Wunder wrote:
Tim Wunder wrote:
> Rex Dieter wrote:
>> Anne Wilson wrote:
>>> What is the status of kaffeine in relation to KDE4? Does anyone know
>>> whether it is a porting work-in-progress,
>>
>> If memory serves, the porting work has indeed begun... (no news of
>> progress beyond that).
>
> According to http://kaffeine.kde.org/
>
> "Yes, we are working on the KDE 4 version.
> And yes, it will use Phonon.
> This will take some time because:
> - We are rewriting most of the code to introduce new features.
> - Phonon does not yet support all the features we need.
>
> Be patient, and stay tuned !"
Of course, I saw the 2/15 post date of that and thought it was current. :(
It goes on to say
The kde4 version taking more time than expected, this is a new kde3 release.
I guess they'll do their damnedest to get it through the door before it
reaches the stage where we can't use the old libraries, or whatever it needs,
so I will, indeed, be patient.
Annt
2:41 p.m.
Anne Wilson wrote:
I guess they'll do their damnedest to get it through the door
before it
reaches the stage where we can't use the old libraries, or whatever it
needs, so I will, indeed, be patient.
FWIW, kdelibs3 is not going to vanish any time soon, way too much stuff
still needs it.
Kevin Kofler
3:18 a.m.
On Tuesday 17 February 2009 15:17:08 Anne Wilson wrote:
What is the status of kaffeine in relation to KDE4? Does anyone
know
whether it is a porting work-in-progress, or whether the current KDE3
version is the end of the line? I no longer like amarok, and find kaffeine
suits me well enough, but I'm concerned that KDE3 apps like this will just
fade away.
I tried it from SVN but it's really unusable and currently lacks most
important feature - playlist.
And problems with sound - that one which is fixed for Amarok (for audio only)
is not solved for audio+video...
Jaroslav
Any comfort in sight?
Anne
3:23 a.m.
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 8:17 AM, Anne Wilson <cannewilson(a)googlemail.com> wrote:
What is the status of kaffeine in relation to KDE4? Does anyone know
whether
it is a porting work-in-progress, or whether the current KDE3 version is the
end of the line? I no longer like amarok, and find kaffeine suits me well
enough, but I'm concerned that KDE3 apps like this will just fade away.
Any comfort in sight?
Anne
On the bright side, VLC is Qt now.
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4:57 a.m.
On Thursday 19 February 2009 09:23:07 Arthur Pemberton wrote:
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 8:17 AM, Anne Wilson
<cannewilson(a)googlemail.com>
wrote:
> What is the status of kaffeine in relation to KDE4? Does anyone
know
> whether it is a porting work-in-progress, or whether the current KDE3
> version is the end of the line? I no longer like amarok, and find
> kaffeine suits me well enough, but I'm concerned that KDE3 apps like this
> will just fade away.
>
> Any comfort in sight?
>
> Anne
On the bright side, VLC is Qt now.
I know VLC is well regarded, but I never got on well with it :-( Perhaps it
is time to try it again.
Anne
6:29 a.m.
On Thu, 2009-02-19 at 10:57 +0000, Anne Wilson wrote:
On Thursday 19 February 2009 09:23:07 Arthur Pemberton wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 8:17 AM, Anne Wilson <cannewilson(a)googlemail.com>
wrote:
> > What is the status of kaffeine in relation to KDE4? Does anyone know
> > whether it is a porting work-in-progress, or whether the current KDE3
> > version is the end of the line? I no longer like amarok, and find
> > kaffeine suits me well enough, but I'm concerned that KDE3 apps like this
> > will just fade away.
> >
> > Any comfort in sight?
> >
> > Anne
>
> On the bright side, VLC is Qt now.
I know VLC is well regarded, but I never got on well with it :-( Perhaps it
is time to try it again.
VLC is my first-choice video player (I use Amarok for audio) but lately
it's been giving very choppy performance, especially at the start of
videos (both .avi and .iso). I'm using PulseAudio and everything else
seems to work. The same videos work fine in Mplayer.
poc
7:19 a.m.
On Thursday 19 February 2009 12:29:54 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Thu, 2009-02-19 at 10:57 +0000, Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Thursday 19 February 2009 09:23:07 Arthur Pemberton wrote:
> > On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 8:17 AM, Anne Wilson
> > <cannewilson(a)googlemail.com>
>
> wrote:
> > > What is the status of kaffeine in relation to KDE4? Does anyone know
> > > whether it is a porting work-in-progress, or whether the current KDE3
> > > version is the end of the line? I no longer like amarok, and find
> > > kaffeine suits me well enough, but I'm concerned that KDE3 apps like
> > > this will just fade away.
> > >
> > > Any comfort in sight?
> > >
> > > Anne
> >
> > On the bright side, VLC is Qt now.
>
> I know VLC is well regarded, but I never got on well with it :-( Perhaps
> it is time to try it again.
VLC is my first-choice video player (I use Amarok for audio) but lately
it's been giving very choppy performance, especially at the start of
videos (both .avi and .iso). I'm using PulseAudio and everything else
seems to work. The same videos work fine in Mplayer.
I haven't tried it before for video, but for audio it is unbearably horrible,
stuttering all over the place. DragonPlayer is so much better. Out of
curiosity I just fed the sme VOB from a camcorder recording to each of the
apps I have installed. DragonPlayer was the only one to play it without
stuttering. VLC was the worst.
Anne
8:33 a.m.
On Thu, 2009-02-19 at 13:19 +0000, Anne Wilson wrote:
On Thursday 19 February 2009 12:29:54 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Thu, 2009-02-19 at 10:57 +0000, Anne Wilson wrote:
> > On Thursday 19 February 2009 09:23:07 Arthur Pemberton wrote:
> > > On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 8:17 AM, Anne Wilson
> > > <cannewilson(a)googlemail.com>
> >
> > wrote:
> > > > What is the status of kaffeine in relation to KDE4? Does anyone
know
> > > > whether it is a porting work-in-progress, or whether the current
KDE3
> > > > version is the end of the line? I no longer like amarok, and find
> > > > kaffeine suits me well enough, but I'm concerned that KDE3 apps
like
> > > > this will just fade away.
> > > >
> > > > Any comfort in sight?
> > > >
> > > > Anne
> > >
> > > On the bright side, VLC is Qt now.
> >
> > I know VLC is well regarded, but I never got on well with it :-( Perhaps
> > it is time to try it again.
>
> VLC is my first-choice video player (I use Amarok for audio) but lately
> it's been giving very choppy performance, especially at the start of
> videos (both .avi and .iso). I'm using PulseAudio and everything else
> seems to work. The same videos work fine in Mplayer.
>
I haven't tried it before for video, but for audio it is unbearably horrible,
stuttering all over the place. DragonPlayer is so much better. Out of
curiosity I just fed the sme VOB from a camcorder recording to each of the
apps I have installed. DragonPlayer was the only one to play it without
stuttering. VLC was the worst.
Anne
Even w/o Pulse VLC shutters when showing video.
Something bad happened to it when they switched to qt :(
- Gilboa
6:51 p.m.
On Thursday 19 February 2009 15:33:59 Gilboa Davara wrote:
On Thu, 2009-02-19 at 13:19 +0000, Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Thursday 19 February 2009 12:29:54 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > On Thu, 2009-02-19 at 10:57 +0000, Anne Wilson wrote:
> > > On Thursday 19 February 2009 09:23:07 Arthur Pemberton wrote:
> > > > On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 8:17 AM, Anne Wilson
> > > > <cannewilson(a)googlemail.com>
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > > > > What is the status of kaffeine in relation to KDE4? Does
anyone
> > > > > know whether it is a porting work-in-progress, or whether the
> > > > > current KDE3 version is the end of the line? I no longer like
> > > > > amarok, and find kaffeine suits me well enough, but I'm
concerned
> > > > > that KDE3 apps like this will just fade away.
> > > > >
> > > > > Any comfort in sight?
> > > > >
> > > > > Anne
> > > >
> > > > On the bright side, VLC is Qt now.
> > >
> > > I know VLC is well regarded, but I never got on well with it :-(
> > > Perhaps it is time to try it again.
> >
> > VLC is my first-choice video player (I use Amarok for audio) but lately
> > it's been giving very choppy performance, especially at the start of
> > videos (both .avi and .iso). I'm using PulseAudio and everything else
> > seems to work. The same videos work fine in Mplayer.
>
> I haven't tried it before for video, but for audio it is unbearably
> horrible, stuttering all over the place. DragonPlayer is so much better.
> Out of curiosity I just fed the sme VOB from a camcorder recording to
> each of the apps I have installed. DragonPlayer was the only one to play
> it without stuttering. VLC was the worst.
>
> Anne
Even w/o Pulse VLC shutters when showing video.
Something bad happened to it when they switched to qt :(
- Gilboa
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Ever since the kernel became 'tickless' I have problems with MPlayer and vlc.
Something with the timings I suppose. In fedora 7.2 everything was very
smooth.
Martin Kho
11:09 p.m.
On Fri, 2009-02-20 at 01:51 +0100, Martin Kho wrote:
Ever since the kernel became 'tickless' I have problems with
MPlayer and vlc.
Something with the timings I suppose. In fedora 7.2 everything was very
smooth.
Martin Kho
To be honest, once I remove pulse I no longer seem to have problem with
video / audio shuttering under both Xine and Mplayer. Unlike VLC, that
is...
- Gilboa
1:05 p.m.
On Thu, 2009-02-19 at 13:19 +0000, Anne Wilson wrote:
> VLC is my first-choice video player (I use Amarok for audio)
but
lately
> it's been giving very choppy performance, especially at the start of
> videos (both .avi and .iso). I'm using PulseAudio and everything
else
> seems to work. The same videos work fine in Mplayer.
>
I haven't tried it before for video, but for audio it is unbearably
horrible,
stuttering all over the place. DragonPlayer is so much better. Out
of
curiosity I just fed the sme VOB from a camcorder recording to each of
the
apps I have installed. DragonPlayer was the only one to play it
without
stuttering. VLC was the worst.
I haven't heard of DragonPlayer. I see it has a web page, but isn't in
the repos. Maybe I'll try it.
poc
2:17 p.m.
On Thursday 19 February 2009 19:19:57 Colin J Thomson - G6AVK wrote:
On Thursday 19 February 2009 19:05:00 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> I haven't heard of DragonPlayer. I see it has a web page, but isn't in
> the repos. Maybe I'll try it.
Its in kdemultimedia.
It looks too simple for words, but I've been really surprised with it. I
hadn't tried it on video until this thread, but I just did 'open with' and it
played beautifully. Up to this I'd thought it was audio only.
Anne
4 p.m.
On Thu, 2009-02-19 at 20:17 +0000, Anne Wilson wrote:
On Thursday 19 February 2009 19:19:57 Colin J Thomson - G6AVK wrote:
> On Thursday 19 February 2009 19:05:00 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > I haven't heard of DragonPlayer. I see it has a web page, but isn't in
> > the repos. Maybe I'll try it.
>
> Its in kdemultimedia.
>
It looks too simple for words, but I've been really surprised with it. I
hadn't tried it on video until this thread, but I just did 'open with' and it
played beautifully. Up to this I'd thought it was audio only.
I tried it and did get some stuttering, but probably less than vlc.
It's slightly less functional though (can't seem to play a directory
that's a copy of a DVD, i.e. a bunch of VOB files etc.).
poc
4:23 p.m.
On Thursday 19 February 2009 22:00:06 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Thu, 2009-02-19 at 20:17 +0000, Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Thursday 19 February 2009 19:19:57 Colin J Thomson - G6AVK wrote:
> > On Thursday 19 February 2009 19:05:00 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > > I haven't heard of DragonPlayer. I see it has a web page, but
isn't
> > > in the repos. Maybe I'll try it.
> >
> > Its in kdemultimedia.
>
> It looks too simple for words, but I've been really surprised with it. I
> hadn't tried it on video until this thread, but I just did 'open with'
> and it played beautifully. Up to this I'd thought it was audio only.
I tried it and did get some stuttering, but probably less than vlc.
It's slightly less functional though (can't seem to play a directory
that's a copy of a DVD, i.e. a bunch of VOB files etc.).
Yes, I did wonder about that, but haven't had time to ask around yet.
Anne
5:14 p.m.
On Thu, 2009-02-19 at 22:23 +0000, Anne Wilson wrote:
On Thursday 19 February 2009 22:00:06 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Thu, 2009-02-19 at 20:17 +0000, Anne Wilson wrote:
> > On Thursday 19 February 2009 19:19:57 Colin J Thomson - G6AVK wrote:
> > > On Thursday 19 February 2009 19:05:00 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > > > I haven't heard of DragonPlayer. I see it has a web page, but
isn't
> > > > in the repos. Maybe I'll try it.
> > >
> > > Its in kdemultimedia.
> >
> > It looks too simple for words, but I've been really surprised with it. I
> > hadn't tried it on video until this thread, but I just did 'open
with'
> > and it played beautifully. Up to this I'd thought it was audio only.
>
> I tried it and did get some stuttering, but probably less than vlc.
>
> It's slightly less functional though (can't seem to play a directory
> that's a copy of a DVD, i.e. a bunch of VOB files etc.).
>
Yes, I did wonder about that, but haven't had time to ask around yet.
In fact it turns out it *can* play a directory, but from the
command-line. If you try it from the menu system it doesn't work.
poc
11:49 p.m.
On Friday 20 February 2009 01:14:51 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Thu, 2009-02-19 at 22:23 +0000, Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Thursday 19 February 2009 22:00:06 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > On Thu, 2009-02-19 at 20:17 +0000, Anne Wilson wrote:
> > > On Thursday 19 February 2009 19:19:57 Colin J Thomson - G6AVK wrote:
> > > > On Thursday 19 February 2009 19:05:00 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > > > > I haven't heard of DragonPlayer. I see it has a web page,
but
> > > > > isn't in the repos. Maybe I'll try it.
> > > >
> > > > Its in kdemultimedia.
> > >
> > > It looks too simple for words, but I've been really surprised with
> > > it. I hadn't tried it on video until this thread, but I just did
> > > 'open with' and it played beautifully. Up to this I'd thought
it was
> > > audio only.
> >
> > I tried it and did get some stuttering, but probably less than vlc.
> >
> > It's slightly less functional though (can't seem to play a directory
> > that's a copy of a DVD, i.e. a bunch of VOB files etc.).
>
> Yes, I did wonder about that, but haven't had time to ask around yet.
In fact it turns out it *can* play a directory, but from the
command-line. If you try it from the menu system it doesn't work.
When it comes to Video Viewing I use kmplayer. It has the capability to work
with either phonon or mplayer backends on demand. It works very well. Also, it
does playlists though I've never really worked with them.
Eli
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On Friday 20 February 2009 05:49:55 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
When it comes to Video Viewing I use kmplayer. It has the capability
to
work with either phonon or mplayer backends on demand. It works very well.
Also, it does playlists though I've never really worked with them.
On the AA1 it gives a nice picture, but pauses about every 3 seconds.
Anne
4:42 a.m.
On Friday 20 February 2009 12:12:31 Anne Wilson wrote:
On Friday 20 February 2009 05:49:55 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> When it comes to Video Viewing I use kmplayer. It has the capability to
> work with either phonon or mplayer backends on demand. It works very
> well. Also, it does playlists though I've never really worked with them.
On the AA1 it gives a nice picture, but pauses about every 3 seconds.
Anne
On both backends?
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On Friday 20 February 2009 10:42:05 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
On Friday 20 February 2009 12:12:31 Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Friday 20 February 2009 05:49:55 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> > When it comes to Video Viewing I use kmplayer. It has the capability to
> > work with either phonon or mplayer backends on demand. It works very
> > well. Also, it does playlists though I've never really worked with
> > them.
>
> On the AA1 it gives a nice picture, but pauses about every 3 seconds.
>
> Anne
On both backends?
It seems to be using the xine backend - at least there is a whole config page
headed Xine. I can't see where I can try gstreamer.
Anne
5:54 a.m.
On Friday 20 February 2009 13:42:48 Anne Wilson wrote:
On Friday 20 February 2009 10:42:05 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> On Friday 20 February 2009 12:12:31 Anne Wilson wrote:
> > On Friday 20 February 2009 05:49:55 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> > > When it comes to Video Viewing I use kmplayer. It has the capability
> > > to work with either phonon or mplayer backends on demand. It works
> > > very well. Also, it does playlists though I've never really worked
> > > with them.
> >
> > On the AA1 it gives a nice picture, but pauses about every 3 seconds.
> >
> > Anne
>
> On both backends?
It seems to be using the xine backend - at least there is a whole config
page headed Xine. I can't see where I can try gstreamer.
Anne
Settings -> Configure KMPlayer -> Source -> Use movie player:
You should MPlayer, Ice Ape (no idea), Phonon.
Eli
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On Friday 20 February 2009 11:54:40 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
On Friday 20 February 2009 13:42:48 Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Friday 20 February 2009 10:42:05 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> > On Friday 20 February 2009 12:12:31 Anne Wilson wrote:
> > > On Friday 20 February 2009 05:49:55 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> > > > When it comes to Video Viewing I use kmplayer. It has the
> > > > capability to work with either phonon or mplayer backends on
> > > > demand. It works very well. Also, it does playlists though I've
> > > > never really worked with them.
> > >
> > > On the AA1 it gives a nice picture, but pauses about every 3 seconds.
> > >
> > > Anne
> >
> > On both backends?
>
> It seems to be using the xine backend - at least there is a whole config
> page headed Xine. I can't see where I can try gstreamer.
>
> Anne
Settings -> Configure KMPlayer -> Source -> Use movie player:
You should MPlayer, Ice Ape (no idea), Phonon.
That was set to MPlayer. I tried setting it to both gstreamer and xine. The
clip I fed it includes quite a lot of night photography - very dark
backgrounds. Neither handled it well. Xine stuttered. Gstreamer gave what
looked like a series of stills. I fed the same clip to DragonPlayer. It
sailed smoothly through the whole of that night stuff. There's just no
competition.
Anne
10:52 a.m.
On Friday 20 February 2009 14:39:32 Anne Wilson wrote:
On Friday 20 February 2009 11:54:40 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> On Friday 20 February 2009 13:42:48 Anne Wilson wrote:
> > On Friday 20 February 2009 10:42:05 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> > > On Friday 20 February 2009 12:12:31 Anne Wilson wrote:
> > > > On Friday 20 February 2009 05:49:55 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> > > > > When it comes to Video Viewing I use kmplayer. It has the
> > > > > capability to work with either phonon or mplayer backends on
> > > > > demand. It works very well. Also, it does playlists though
I've
> > > > > never really worked with them.
> > > >
> > > > On the AA1 it gives a nice picture, but pauses about every 3
> > > > seconds.
> > > >
> > > > Anne
> > >
> > > On both backends?
> >
> > It seems to be using the xine backend - at least there is a whole
> > config page headed Xine. I can't see where I can try gstreamer.
> >
> > Anne
>
> Settings -> Configure KMPlayer -> Source -> Use movie player:
>
> You should MPlayer, Ice Ape (no idea), Phonon.
That was set to MPlayer. I tried setting it to both gstreamer and xine.
The clip I fed it includes quite a lot of night photography - very dark
backgrounds. Neither handled it well. Xine stuttered. Gstreamer gave
what looked like a series of stills. I fed the same clip to DragonPlayer.
It sailed smoothly through the whole of that night stuff. There's just no
competition.
If you're playing through MPlayer you're playing through whatever mplayer
is
using. Try setting the source to Phonon. See if that helps.
Eli
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On Friday 20 February 2009 16:52:48 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
On Friday 20 February 2009 14:39:32 Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Friday 20 February 2009 11:54:40 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> > On Friday 20 February 2009 13:42:48 Anne Wilson wrote:
> > > On Friday 20 February 2009 10:42:05 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> > > > On Friday 20 February 2009 12:12:31 Anne Wilson wrote:
> > > > > On Friday 20 February 2009 05:49:55 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> > > > > > When it comes to Video Viewing I use kmplayer. It has the
> > > > > > capability to work with either phonon or mplayer backends
on
> > > > > > demand. It works very well. Also, it does playlists though
I've
> > > > > > never really worked with them.
> > > > >
> > > > > On the AA1 it gives a nice picture, but pauses about every 3
> > > > > seconds.
> > > > >
> > > > > Anne
> > > >
> > > > On both backends?
> > >
> > > It seems to be using the xine backend - at least there is a whole
> > > config page headed Xine. I can't see where I can try gstreamer.
> > >
> > > Anne
> >
> > Settings -> Configure KMPlayer -> Source -> Use movie player:
> >
> > You should MPlayer, Ice Ape (no idea), Phonon.
>
> That was set to MPlayer. I tried setting it to both gstreamer and xine.
> The clip I fed it includes quite a lot of night photography - very dark
> backgrounds. Neither handled it well. Xine stuttered. Gstreamer gave
> what looked like a series of stills. I fed the same clip to
> DragonPlayer. It sailed smoothly through the whole of that night stuff.
> There's just no competition.
If you're playing through MPlayer you're playing through whatever mplayer
is using. Try setting the source to Phonon. See if that helps.
I only have
GStreamer
MPlayer
Ice Ape
Xine
In systemsettings the multimedia entry only allows me to set audio. The
Backend tab is currently set to
Xine
GStreamer
Deinterlacing is on only for DVD (maybe I should turn it on for file, too?)
Anne
3:53 a.m.
On Saturday 21 February 2009 11:42:21 Anne Wilson wrote:
On Friday 20 February 2009 16:52:48 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> On Friday 20 February 2009 14:39:32 Anne Wilson wrote:
> > On Friday 20 February 2009 11:54:40 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> > > On Friday 20 February 2009 13:42:48 Anne Wilson wrote:
> > > > On Friday 20 February 2009 10:42:05 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> > > > > On Friday 20 February 2009 12:12:31 Anne Wilson wrote:
> > > > > > On Friday 20 February 2009 05:49:55 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> > > > > > > When it comes to Video Viewing I use kmplayer. It has
the
> > > > > > > capability to work with either phonon or mplayer
backends on
> > > > > > > demand. It works very well. Also, it does playlists
though
> > > > > > > I've never really worked with them.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On the AA1 it gives a nice picture, but pauses about every
3
> > > > > > seconds.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Anne
> > > > >
> > > > > On both backends?
> > > >
> > > > It seems to be using the xine backend - at least there is a whole
> > > > config page headed Xine. I can't see where I can try gstreamer.
> > > >
> > > > Anne
> > >
> > > Settings -> Configure KMPlayer -> Source -> Use movie player:
> > >
> > > You should MPlayer, Ice Ape (no idea), Phonon.
> >
> > That was set to MPlayer. I tried setting it to both gstreamer and
> > xine. The clip I fed it includes quite a lot of night photography -
> > very dark backgrounds. Neither handled it well. Xine stuttered.
> > Gstreamer gave what looked like a series of stills. I fed the same
> > clip to
> > DragonPlayer. It sailed smoothly through the whole of that night stuff.
> > There's just no competition.
>
> If you're playing through MPlayer you're playing through whatever mplayer
> is using. Try setting the source to Phonon. See if that helps.
I only have
GStreamer
MPlayer
Ice Ape
Xine
In systemsettings the multimedia entry only allows me to set audio. The
Backend tab is currently set to
Xine
GStreamer
Deinterlacing is on only for DVD (maybe I should turn it on for file, too?)
What version do you have installed?
Eli
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On Saturday 21 February 2009 09:53:14 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
On Saturday 21 February 2009 11:42:21 Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Friday 20 February 2009 16:52:48 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> > On Friday 20 February 2009 14:39:32 Anne Wilson wrote:
> > > On Friday 20 February 2009 11:54:40 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> > > > On Friday 20 February 2009 13:42:48 Anne Wilson wrote:
> > > > > On Friday 20 February 2009 10:42:05 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> > > > > > On Friday 20 February 2009 12:12:31 Anne Wilson wrote:
> > > > > > > On Friday 20 February 2009 05:49:55 Eli Wapniarski
wrote:
> > > > > > > > When it comes to Video Viewing I use kmplayer. It
has the
> > > > > > > > capability to work with either phonon or mplayer
backends
> > > > > > > > on demand. It works very well. Also, it does
playlists
> > > > > > > > though I've never really worked with them.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On the AA1 it gives a nice picture, but pauses about
every 3
> > > > > > > seconds.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Anne
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On both backends?
> > > > >
> > > > > It seems to be using the xine backend - at least there is a
whole
> > > > > config page headed Xine. I can't see where I can try
gstreamer.
> > > > >
> > > > > Anne
> > > >
> > > > Settings -> Configure KMPlayer -> Source -> Use movie
player:
> > > >
> > > > You should MPlayer, Ice Ape (no idea), Phonon.
> > >
> > > That was set to MPlayer. I tried setting it to both gstreamer and
> > > xine. The clip I fed it includes quite a lot of night photography -
> > > very dark backgrounds. Neither handled it well. Xine stuttered.
> > > Gstreamer gave what looked like a series of stills. I fed the same
> > > clip to
> > > DragonPlayer. It sailed smoothly through the whole of that night
> > > stuff. There's just no competition.
> >
> > If you're playing through MPlayer you're playing through whatever
> > mplayer is using. Try setting the source to Phonon. See if that helps.
>
> I only have
>
> GStreamer
> MPlayer
> Ice Ape
> Xine
>
> In systemsettings the multimedia entry only allows me to set audio. The
> Backend tab is currently set to
>
> Xine
> GStreamer
>
> Deinterlacing is on only for DVD (maybe I should turn it on for file,
> too?)
What version do you have installed?
kmplayer-0.10.0c-4.fc9.i386 - is that normal on an F10 install?
Anne
5:29 a.m.
On Saturday 21 February 2009 11:21:25 Anne Wilson wrote:
On Saturday 21 February 2009 09:53:14 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> On Saturday 21 February 2009 11:42:21 Anne Wilson wrote:
> > On Friday 20 February 2009 16:52:48 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> > > On Friday 20 February 2009 14:39:32 Anne Wilson wrote:
> > > > On Friday 20 February 2009 11:54:40 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> > > > > On Friday 20 February 2009 13:42:48 Anne Wilson wrote:
> > > > > > On Friday 20 February 2009 10:42:05 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> > > > > > > On Friday 20 February 2009 12:12:31 Anne Wilson
wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Friday 20 February 2009 05:49:55 Eli
Wapniarski wrote:
> > > > > > > > > When it comes to Video Viewing I use
kmplayer. It has the
> > > > > > > > > capability to work with either phonon or
mplayer backends
> > > > > > > > > on demand. It works very well. Also, it does
playlists
> > > > > > > > > though I've never really worked with
them.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On the AA1 it gives a nice picture, but pauses
about every
> > > > > > > > 3 seconds.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Anne
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On both backends?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It seems to be using the xine backend - at least there is
a
> > > > > > whole config page headed Xine. I can't see where I can
try
> > > > > > gstreamer.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Anne
> > > > >
> > > > > Settings -> Configure KMPlayer -> Source -> Use movie
player:
> > > > >
> > > > > You should MPlayer, Ice Ape (no idea), Phonon.
> > > >
> > > > That was set to MPlayer. I tried setting it to both gstreamer and
> > > > xine. The clip I fed it includes quite a lot of night photography -
> > > > very dark backgrounds. Neither handled it well. Xine stuttered.
> > > > Gstreamer gave what looked like a series of stills. I fed the same
> > > > clip to
> > > > DragonPlayer. It sailed smoothly through the whole of that night
> > > > stuff. There's just no competition.
> > >
> > > If you're playing through MPlayer you're playing through whatever
> > > mplayer is using. Try setting the source to Phonon. See if that
> > > helps.
> >
> > I only have
> >
> > GStreamer
> > MPlayer
> > Ice Ape
> > Xine
> >
> > In systemsettings the multimedia entry only allows me to set audio.
> > The Backend tab is currently set to
> >
> > Xine
> > GStreamer
> >
> > Deinterlacing is on only for DVD (maybe I should turn it on for file,
> > too?)
>
> What version do you have installed?
kmplayer-0.10.0c-4.fc9.i386 - is that normal on an F10 install?
Anne
You have KMplayer in the Fedora repo and KPlayer in the RPMFusion repo. Two
different apps.
Martin Kho
5:37 a.m.
On Saturday 21 February 2009 12:29:34 Martin Kho wrote:
On Saturday 21 February 2009 11:21:25 Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Saturday 21 February 2009 09:53:14 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> > On Saturday 21 February 2009 11:42:21 Anne Wilson wrote:
> > > On Friday 20 February 2009 16:52:48 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> > > > On Friday 20 February 2009 14:39:32 Anne Wilson wrote:
> > > > > On Friday 20 February 2009 11:54:40 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> > > > > > On Friday 20 February 2009 13:42:48 Anne Wilson wrote:
> > > > > > > On Friday 20 February 2009 10:42:05 Eli Wapniarski
wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Friday 20 February 2009 12:12:31 Anne Wilson
wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Friday 20 February 2009 05:49:55 Eli
Wapniarski wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > When it comes to Video Viewing I use
kmplayer. It has
> > > > > > > > > > the capability to work with either
phonon or mplayer
> > > > > > > > > > backends on demand. It works very well.
Also, it does
> > > > > > > > > > playlists though I've never really
worked with them.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On the AA1 it gives a nice picture, but
pauses about
> > > > > > > > > every 3 seconds.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Anne
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On both backends?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It seems to be using the xine backend - at least there
is a
> > > > > > > whole config page headed Xine. I can't see where
I can try
> > > > > > > gstreamer.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Anne
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Settings -> Configure KMPlayer -> Source -> Use
movie player:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You should MPlayer, Ice Ape (no idea), Phonon.
> > > > >
> > > > > That was set to MPlayer. I tried setting it to both gstreamer
> > > > > and xine. The clip I fed it includes quite a lot of night
> > > > > photography - very dark backgrounds. Neither handled it well.
> > > > > Xine stuttered. Gstreamer gave what looked like a series of
> > > > > stills. I fed the same clip to
> > > > > DragonPlayer. It sailed smoothly through the whole of that
night
> > > > > stuff. There's just no competition.
> > > >
> > > > If you're playing through MPlayer you're playing through
whatever
> > > > mplayer is using. Try setting the source to Phonon. See if that
> > > > helps.
> > >
> > > I only have
> > >
> > > GStreamer
> > > MPlayer
> > > Ice Ape
> > > Xine
> > >
> > > In systemsettings the multimedia entry only allows me to set audio.
> > > The Backend tab is currently set to
> > >
> > > Xine
> > > GStreamer
> > >
> > > Deinterlacing is on only for DVD (maybe I should turn it on for file,
> > > too?)
> >
> > What version do you have installed?
>
> kmplayer-0.10.0c-4.fc9.i386 - is that normal on an F10 install?
>
> Anne
You have KMplayer in the Fedora repo and KPlayer in the RPMFusion repo. Two
different apps.
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...and, there is another one: SMPlayer. All are using MPlayer as the backend.
I don't know which one is the best. I've tried them all, but I had problems
with MPlayer, so none worked for me. Can be Pulseaudio the big trouble maker?
(see Gilboa's post)
Martin Kho
7:22 a.m.
On Sat, 2009-02-21 at 12:37 +0100, Martin Kho wrote:
[...]
...and, there is another one: SMPlayer. All are using MPlayer as the
backend.
I don't know which one is the best. I've tried them all, but I had problems
with MPlayer, so none worked for me. Can be Pulseaudio the big trouble maker?
(see Gilboa's post)
I've tried mplayer, kplayer, vlc, dragon and kaffeine. I have PA
configured for all my sound, using the Xine backend. Mplayer and kplayer
work perfectly (as does Amarok for audio). Kaffeine, dragon and vlc all
stutter.
mplayer-1.0-0.103.20080903svn.fc10.x86_64
kplayer-0.7.0-1.20081211cvs.fc10.x86_64
kaffeine-0.8.7-3.fc10.x86_64
kdemultimedia-4.2.0-1.fc10.1.x86_64 (for dragon)
vlc-0.9.8a-1.fc10.x86_64
Anyone see a pattern?
poc
7:53 a.m.
On Saturday 21 February 2009 13:22:22 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Sat, 2009-02-21 at 12:37 +0100, Martin Kho wrote:
[...]
> ...and, there is another one: SMPlayer. All are using MPlayer as the
> backend. I don't know which one is the best. I've tried them all, but I
> had problems with MPlayer, so none worked for me. Can be Pulseaudio the
> big trouble maker? (see Gilboa's post)
I've tried mplayer, kplayer, vlc, dragon and kaffeine. I have PA
configured for all my sound, using the Xine backend.
PA runs without causing any problem on both the Mandriva laptop and the F10
netbook.
Mplayer and kplayer
work perfectly (as does Amarok for audio). Kaffeine, dragon and vlc all
stutter.
Strange, isn't it? DragonPlayer is the only video player I've got working
smoothly. Exactly the oppostie of yours.
mplayer-1.0-0.103.20080903svn.fc10.x86_64
kplayer-0.7.0-1.20081211cvs.fc10.x86_64
kaffeine-0.8.7-3.fc10.x86_64
kdemultimedia-4.2.0-1.fc10.1.x86_64 (for dragon)
vlc-0.9.8a-1.fc10.x86_64
Anyone see a pattern?
I'm using 32-bit - so this is not like-for-like, and I don't know how
significant that is.
Anne
7:50 a.m.
On Saturday 21 February 2009 11:29:34 Martin Kho wrote:
On Saturday 21 February 2009 11:21:25 Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Saturday 21 February 2009 09:53:14 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> > On Saturday 21 February 2009 11:42:21 Anne Wilson wrote:
> > > On Friday 20 February 2009 16:52:48 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> > > > On Friday 20 February 2009 14:39:32 Anne Wilson wrote:
> > > > > On Friday 20 February 2009 11:54:40 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> > > > > > On Friday 20 February 2009 13:42:48 Anne Wilson wrote:
> > > > > > > On Friday 20 February 2009 10:42:05 Eli Wapniarski
wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Friday 20 February 2009 12:12:31 Anne Wilson
wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Friday 20 February 2009 05:49:55 Eli
Wapniarski wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > When it comes to Video Viewing I use
kmplayer. It has
> > > > > > > > > > the capability to work with either
phonon or mplayer
> > > > > > > > > > backends on demand. It works very well.
Also, it does
> > > > > > > > > > playlists though I've never really
worked with them.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On the AA1 it gives a nice picture, but
pauses about
> > > > > > > > > every 3 seconds.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Anne
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On both backends?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It seems to be using the xine backend - at least there
is a
> > > > > > > whole config page headed Xine. I can't see where
I can try
> > > > > > > gstreamer.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Anne
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Settings -> Configure KMPlayer -> Source -> Use
movie player:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You should MPlayer, Ice Ape (no idea), Phonon.
> > > > >
> > > > > That was set to MPlayer. I tried setting it to both gstreamer
> > > > > and xine. The clip I fed it includes quite a lot of night
> > > > > photography - very dark backgrounds. Neither handled it well.
> > > > > Xine stuttered. Gstreamer gave what looked like a series of
> > > > > stills. I fed the same clip to
> > > > > DragonPlayer. It sailed smoothly through the whole of that
night
> > > > > stuff. There's just no competition.
> > > >
> > > > If you're playing through MPlayer you're playing through
whatever
> > > > mplayer is using. Try setting the source to Phonon. See if that
> > > > helps.
> > >
> > > I only have
> > >
> > > GStreamer
> > > MPlayer
> > > Ice Ape
> > > Xine
> > >
> > > In systemsettings the multimedia entry only allows me to set audio.
> > > The Backend tab is currently set to
> > >
> > > Xine
> > > GStreamer
> > >
> > > Deinterlacing is on only for DVD (maybe I should turn it on for file,
> > > too?)
> >
> > What version do you have installed?
>
> kmplayer-0.10.0c-4.fc9.i386 - is that normal on an F10 install?
>
> Anne
You have KMplayer in the Fedora repo and KPlayer in the RPMFusion repo. Two
different apps.
So is there a Fedora version of KMPlayer?
I tried running mplayer (mplayer-gui, I guess) with the same file. It was
impossibly jerky.
Anne
5:39 a.m.
> What version do you have installed?
kmplayer-0.10.0c-4.fc9.i386 - is that normal on an F10 install?
OK.. My confusion. Its been such a long time since I dealt with this that I've
forgottent that I don't have it installed via rpm but compiled it myself.
The current stable version is 0.11a and is a KDE4 app.
The file is located at
http://kmplayer.kde.org/pkgs/kmplayer-0.11.0a.tar.bz2
After you download the file you will need to uncompress the archive. I usually
use midnight commander to do ths. But I believe that you should be able to do
this with dolphin as well. I usually put in /usr/src
I usually do this as root.
You should then be able to navigate to that folder which should be
/usr/src/kmplayer-0.11.0a/
Once there you will need to:
mkdir build
cd build
cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=`kde4-config --prefix` ..
(the 2 dots at the end are important)
make
make install
You then should have the latest stable version available for KDE4..
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On Saturday 21 February 2009 13:39:02 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> > What version do you have installed?
>
> kmplayer-0.10.0c-4.fc9.i386 - is that normal on an F10 install?
OK.. My confusion. Its been such a long time since I dealt with this that
I've forgottent that I don't have it installed via rpm but compiled it
myself.
The current stable version is 0.11a and is a KDE4 app.
The file is located at
http://kmplayer.kde.org/pkgs/kmplayer-0.11.0a.tar.bz2
After you download the file you will need to uncompress the archive. I
usually use midnight commander to do ths. But I believe that you should be
able to do this with dolphin as well. I usually put in /usr/src
I usually do this as root.
You should then be able to navigate to that folder which should be
/usr/src/kmplayer-0.11.0a/
Once there you will need to:
mkdir build
cd build
cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=`kde4-config --prefix` ..
(the 2 dots at the end are important)
make
make install
You then should have the latest stable version available for KDE4..
Oh... Forgot to mention...
Don't forget to rpm -e kmplayer before runing make install.
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On Saturday 21 February 2009 13:39:02 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> > What version do you have installed?
>
> kmplayer-0.10.0c-4.fc9.i386 - is that normal on an F10 install?
OK.. My confusion. Its been such a long time since I dealt with this that
I've forgottent that I don't have it installed via rpm but compiled it
myself.
The current stable version is 0.11a and is a KDE4 app.
The file is located at
http://kmplayer.kde.org/pkgs/kmplayer-0.11.0a.tar.bz2
After you download the file you will need to uncompress the archive. I
usually use midnight commander to do ths. But I believe that you should be
able to do this with dolphin as well. I usually put in /usr/src
I usually do this as root.
You should then be able to navigate to that folder which should be
/usr/src/kmplayer-0.11.0a/
Once there you will need to:
mkdir build
cd build
cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=`kde4-config --prefix` ..
(the 2 dots at the end are important)
make
make install
You then should have the latest stable version available for KDE4..
I just did a little more research into the state of kmplayer. And you can also
get it from the latest snapshot of the kdeextragear-multimedia tar ball at
ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/snapshots/kdeextragear-multimedia.tar.bz2
The tar ball contains the latest available and when extracted and compiled
from the tar ball the version of KMplayer will read 4.2 using KDE 4.2
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Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> > What version do you have installed?
>
> kmplayer-0.10.0c-4.fc9.i386 - is that normal on an F10 install?
OK.. My confusion. Its been such a long time since I dealt with this
that I've forgottent that I don't have it installed via rpm but compiled
it myself.
The current stable version is 0.11a and is a KDE4 app.
The file is located at
Thanks for the heads up... I'll snag it and package it properly.
-- Rex
7:55 a.m.
On Saturday 21 February 2009 13:20:14 Rex Dieter wrote:
Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> > > What version do you have installed?
> >
> > kmplayer-0.10.0c-4.fc9.i386 - is that normal on an F10 install?
>
> OK.. My confusion. Its been such a long time since I dealt with this
> that I've forgottent that I don't have it installed via rpm but compiled
> it myself.
>
>
> The current stable version is 0.11a and is a KDE4 app.
>
>
> The file is located at
Thanks for the heads up... I'll snag it and package it properly.
Thanks, Rex. Since I don't need it urgently I'll wait for that. (And
thanks,
Eli.)
Anne
10:52 a.m.
On Saturday 21 February 2009 15:20:14 Rex Dieter wrote:
Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> > > What version do you have installed?
> >
> > kmplayer-0.10.0c-4.fc9.i386 - is that normal on an F10 install?
>
> OK.. My confusion. Its been such a long time since I dealt with this
> that I've forgottent that I don't have it installed via rpm but compiled
> it myself.
>
>
> The current stable version is 0.11a and is a KDE4 app.
>
>
> The file is located at
Thanks for the heads up... I'll snag it and package it properly.
That would be great Rex.. Are you gonna grab it from the kdeextras snapshot or
version 0.11a?
Eli
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On Sunday 22 February 2009 18:23:18 Kevin Kofler wrote:
Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> That would be great Rex.. Are you gonna grab it from the kdeextras
> snapshot or version 0.11a?
The release is what should be packaged, random snapshots are not that good
an idea to package unless there's a good reason.
Kevin Kofler
It would then get packaged with kdemultimedia. There wouldn't be a separate
package. Besides, KMplayer is now part of kdeextras. The current version in
the snapshots are stable version. I've extracted and noticed that there is no
Beta or RC candiate attached to the version number. It is Version 4.2.0. The
previous version that I had installed was 4.1.0 RC1. So, to keep up to date
with whats happening with kdeextras I think it would be a good idea to use
kdeextras.
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11:14 a.m.
Eli Wapniarski wrote:
On Sunday 22 February 2009 18:23:18 Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> > That would be great Rex.. Are you gonna grab it from the kdeextras
> > snapshot or version 0.11a?
>
> The release is what should be packaged, random snapshots are not that
good
> an idea to package unless there's a good reason.
>
> Kevin Kofler
>
It would then get packaged with kdemultimedia. There wouldn't be a
separate package. Besides, KMplayer is now part of kdeextras. The
current version in the snapshots are stable version. I've extracted and
noticed that there is no Beta or RC candiate attached to the version
number. It is Version 4.2.0. The previous version that I had installed
was 4.1.0 RC1. So, to keep up to date with whats happening with
kdeextras I think it would be a good idea to use kdeextras.
But using snapthots is almost never a good idea in general, unless
you're willing to track upstream developments *very* closely.
-- Rex
11:19 a.m.
On Sunday 22 February 2009 19:14:00 Rex Dieter wrote:
Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> On Sunday 22 February 2009 18:23:18 Kevin Kofler wrote:
> > Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> > > That would be great Rex.. Are you gonna grab it from the kdeextras
> > > snapshot or version 0.11a?
> >
> > The release is what should be packaged, random snapshots are not that
>
> good
>
> > an idea to package unless there's a good reason.
> >
> > Kevin Kofler
>
> It would then get packaged with kdemultimedia. There wouldn't be a
> separate package. Besides, KMplayer is now part of kdeextras. The
> current version in the snapshots are stable version. I've extracted and
> noticed that there is no Beta or RC candiate attached to the version
> number. It is Version 4.2.0. The previous version that I had installed
> was 4.1.0 RC1. So, to keep up to date with whats happening with
> kdeextras I think it would be a good idea to use kdeextras.
But using snapthots is almost never a good idea in general, unless
you're willing to track upstream developments *very* closely.
It's, of course, always up to you. You could of course for now use 0.11a and
then of course when KMplayer gets included in stable kdeextra tarballs use
them then. But as it stands I'm quite happy with KMPlayer. Maybe a well placed
email to the developer would be inorder.
Eli
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11:40 a.m.
Eli Wapniarski wrote:
It's, of course, always up to you. You could of course for now
use 0.11a
and then of course when KMplayer gets included in stable kdeextra tarballs
use them then.
There will be no "stable kdeextra tarballs". extragear is not released as
whole modules, in fact the snapshot you linked to is the first time I've
seen somebody throw all of extragear-multimedia into a single tarball. This
is intentionally not done for stable releases.
Kevin Kofler
11:32 a.m.
Eli Wapniarski wrote:
It would then get packaged with kdemultimedia.
It would not. It comes from extragear-multimedia, which is not the same as
kdemultimedia!
There wouldn't be a separate package. Besides, KMplayer is now
part of
kdeextras.
A lot of stuff is part of extragear, that doesn't mean we're supposed to
package the version from extragear trunk. Extragear apps release on their
own cycle (they may request to be released together with KDE releases, but
they don't have to and many don't). In particular, extragear-multimedia
contains stuff like Amarok 2 which has its own releases and K3b whose KDE 4
port isn't ready to be packaged at all yet. And extragear apps are shipped
separately, not as whole modules.
Shipping a snapshot of extragear-multimedia as a monolithic package is a
horribly bad idea.
The current version in the snapshots are stable version.
They're not. It's a snapshot from the current trunk. The Amarok and K3b
versions in that snapshot are very experimental. KMplayer may or may not be
stable in it, but the only way to be sure is to use an official release
blessed by KMplayer upstream, not a snapshot of a huge extragear directory
which happens to contain KMplayer. Again, extragear does not work like core
KDE modules (and even for those we wouldn't ship trunk snapshots, only
releases!).
I've extracted and noticed that there is no Beta or RC candiate
attached
to the version number.
That doesn't mean it's not a beta or RC. Version numbers don't get updated
all the time, most of us developers only care about them being correct in
releases, in snapshots they can be anything (the previous release, the next
release, whatever).
So, to keep up to date with whats happening with kdeextras I think
it
would be a good idea to use kdeextras.
No. You don't understand how extragear (which is how it's called,
not "kdeextras") works. The whole point of extragear is to have separate
apps with independent release cycles.
Kevin Kofler
2:07 p.m.
On Sunday 22 February 2009 19:32:47 Kevin Kofler wrote:
Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> It would then get packaged with kdemultimedia.
It would not. It comes from extragear-multimedia, which is not the same as
kdemultimedia!
> There wouldn't be a separate package. Besides, KMplayer is
now part of
> kdeextras.
A lot of stuff is part of extragear, that doesn't mean we're supposed to
package the version from extragear trunk. Extragear apps release on their
own cycle (they may request to be released together with KDE releases, but
they don't have to and many don't). In particular, extragear-multimedia
contains stuff like Amarok 2 which has its own releases and K3b whose KDE 4
port isn't ready to be packaged at all yet. And extragear apps are shipped
separately, not as whole modules.
Shipping a snapshot of extragear-multimedia as a monolithic package is a
horribly bad idea.
> The current version in the snapshots are stable version.
They're not. It's a snapshot from the current trunk. The Amarok and K3b
versions in that snapshot are very experimental. KMplayer may or may not be
stable in it, but the only way to be sure is to use an official release
blessed by KMplayer upstream, not a snapshot of a huge extragear directory
which happens to contain KMplayer. Again, extragear does not work like core
KDE modules (and even for those we wouldn't ship trunk snapshots, only
releases!).
> I've extracted and noticed that there is no Beta or RC candiate attached
> to the version number.
That doesn't mean it's not a beta or RC. Version numbers don't get updated
all the time, most of us developers only care about them being correct in
releases, in snapshots they can be anything (the previous release, the next
release, whatever).
> So, to keep up to date with whats happening with kdeextras I think it
> would be a good idea to use kdeextras.
No. You don't understand how extragear (which is how it's called,
not "kdeextras") works. The whole point of extragear is to have separate
apps with independent release cycles.
They are independant however, a quck examination of several packages.
kmldonkey as an examply is only released via extragear. If I mistyped and said
kdeextras instead of kde extragear sorry.
As far as stable extragear stuff is concerned take a look at
ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/4.2.0/src/extragear
While they are all listed as seperate packages they are all under extragear.
My experience with KMPlayer has been that the developer has always placed the
correct version in the about box. And as I said, it maybe a good idea to email
the guy and ask him which would be better.
In any case, I will leave the packaging up to Rex's discretion. He usually
makes the right choice.
Eli
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5:28 p.m.
Eli Wapniarski wrote:
They are independant however, a quck examination of several
packages.
kmldonkey as an examply is only released via extragear.
Yes, but that doesn't necessarily apply to KMplayer. The latest release of
KMplayer is a standalone release. How future releases will look like is
something we don't know yet (ask the author), but for certain snapshots of
all of extragear-multimedia are not KMplayer releases! So right now the
standalone release is the current version.
As far as stable extragear stuff is concerned take a look at
ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/4.2.0/src/extragear
While they are all listed as seperate packages they are all under
extragear.
Not all. Only those which elected to be released together with KDE releases.
Some extragear projects release on their own schedule and infrastructure.
And as you can see there's no KMplayer release there. There may or may not
be one together with KDE 4.2.1, it's up to the upstream author to decide
how to release.
My experience with KMPlayer has been that the developer has always
placed
the correct version in the about box.
For the tarballs he releases, sure. But a snapshot is NOT a release, it's a
checkout of the SVN repository at a random point in time with no prior
warning to the author! So of course the about box will have the version
number of the latest release or the next upcoming release (unless the
author bumps the version to something like "SVN version" immediately after
the release and to the release version immediately before the next release,
but almost nobody does that).
And as I said, it maybe a good idea to email the guy and ask him
which
would be better.
It's a waste of time, the extragear-multimedia snapshot tarballs are not
intended to be packaged! I think you don't understand what a "snapshot" is:
it's a checkout of the SVN trunk at a point in time which completely
ignores the release cycles of the individual projects in it (which as I say
aren't even necessarily aligned), code in a snapshot may not even compile,
let alone work. And chances are the KMplayer author isn't even aware of
their existence.
Kevin Kofler
11:13 p.m.
On Monday 23 February 2009 01:28:58 Kevin Kofler wrote:
Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> They are independant however, a quck examination of several packages.
> kmldonkey as an examply is only released via extragear.
Yes, but that doesn't necessarily apply to KMplayer. The latest release of
KMplayer is a standalone release. How future releases will look like is
something we don't know yet (ask the author), but for certain snapshots of
all of extragear-multimedia are not KMplayer releases! So right now the
standalone release is the current version.
> As far as stable extragear stuff is concerned take a look at
>
> ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/4.2.0/src/extragear
>
> While they are all listed as seperate packages they are all under
> extragear.
Not all. Only those which elected to be released together with KDE
releases. Some extragear projects release on their own schedule and
infrastructure.
And as you can see there's no KMplayer release there. There may or may not
be one together with KDE 4.2.1, it's up to the upstream author to decide
how to release.
> My experience with KMPlayer has been that the developer has always placed
> the correct version in the about box.
For the tarballs he releases, sure. But a snapshot is NOT a release, it's a
checkout of the SVN repository at a random point in time with no prior
warning to the author! So of course the about box will have the version
number of the latest release or the next upcoming release (unless the
author bumps the version to something like "SVN version" immediately after
the release and to the release version immediately before the next release,
but almost nobody does that).
> And as I said, it maybe a good idea to email the guy and ask him which
> would be better.
It's a waste of time, the extragear-multimedia snapshot tarballs are not
intended to be packaged! I think you don't understand what a "snapshot"
is:
it's a checkout of the SVN trunk at a point in time which completely
ignores the release cycles of the individual projects in it (which as I say
aren't even necessarily aligned), code in a snapshot may not even compile,
let alone work. And chances are the KMplayer author isn't even aware of
their existence.
Kevin Kofler
Firstly, I'm not arguing to use or not to use. Actually I really don't know
what we're discussing but that's OK. :).
Kevin pulease. I've been at this a very long time... of course I know what a
snapshot is. As I indicated KMPlayer versioning in the about dialog box has
always been accurate. As everyone is aware... there has been many many changes
to the underlying code in KDE between 4.0, 4.1 and 4.2. The snapshot releases
may reflect changes we are not aware of and may in fact deal better with those
changes. But we really won't know unless somebody writes to the developer and
asks him. All I can tell you is that both versions work.
And wouldn't it be better for the packager to communicate with the developer
so that any information comes first hand.
Eli
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On Thu, 2009-02-19 at 19:19 +0000, Colin J Thomson - G6AVK wrote:
On Thursday 19 February 2009 19:05:00 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> I haven't heard of DragonPlayer. I see it has a web page, but isn't in
> the repos. Maybe I'll try it.
Its in kdemultimedia.
I see it now, thanks.
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