sadly 4.1..2 suffers the same problem...........
Am 19.09.2013 10:36, schrieb Daniel Vrátil:
On Wednesday 18 of September 2013 20:35:38 Reindl Harald wrote:
> Am 18.09.2013 20:01, schrieb Rex Dieter:
>> On 09/18/2013 12:58 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>>> ktp finally pulls gtk-dep
>>
>> Like what?
>
> maybe this has changed in F19
>
> 52 MB is still far too much for a messenger given that
> Apache/PHP does fit in this space and is much more complex
>
> the last time i tried it because kopete for now does not support
> filetransfers i was unable to connect to facebookchat
That might have been because of Facebook migrating to new servers - many
people had problems. Now it works again.
while at the same time kopete worked?
i do not need a *multi* protocol messenger when i
need for each service a different one
> or our own jabber server
That's weird. Maybe you need to disable SSL, or enable "Ignore SSL errors"?
i do not take a application serious which doe snot ask in case
of a self-signed certificate like browsers and mail clients
do over decades nor do i buy certificates for LAN services
> and the fact that it does not minimize to systray
> and close the contact list doe snot behave like kopete makes it
> unuseable for me
If the concern is about staying online, when KTp contactlist is closed you are
/not/ disconnected. The connection is maintained by Telepathy in the
background.
You can also add "Presence Applet" to systray, which will show your presence
(status), allows to change it via popup menu and when you left-click the
applet, it will open the contact list (so you get effectively the same behavior
as with Kopete). Additionally there's a Plasma applet with contact list that
can be nicely embedded into the panel so you don't even need to open a new
window.
a desktop application tehse days needs proper usability
out-of-the-box and not force the user to search manually
for plasma addons
> with what i could libe is kopete using telepathy backends
> and not change the user interface/behaviour with only really
> needed dependencies (gnupnp is nothing i want on my systems)
Not sure how that would help - most of the 52MB is taken by Telepathy and it's
dependencies. KTp itself is quite small (and you can uninstall parts you don't
need).
Looking at the dependencies, it's a bit unfortunate that ktp-accounts-kcm
pulls in so many Telepathy backends - most people could probably do just with
telepathy-gabble (XMPP)...
exactly that is my point
all these sub-packages are completly nonsense as long there are
endless dependency chains pulling them all
Also please note that Kopete is considered unmaintained (although
there were a
few patches in 4.11) and it's future (longterm) is unclear
i am aware of this and it makes me very unhappy that the one
mesenger with a perfect UI and only missing some features
like video-chat is dying and the other is no useable replacement
for now nor that i want the GNOME alternatives on my system
if i could i would do "yum remove \*gtk\*"