So, up to this point, Langdon White and his merry band of Modularity folks have been calling the proposed modular Fedora Server by the name of "Crazy Server", which I am not fond of. This is for a number of reasons, but mostly because I can't imagine anyone willingly installing and trying something its creators are calling "crazy".
So, I think we need a better name for this effort. My personal suggestion would be to call it "Adaptive Server". Other suggestions welcome.
On Mon, 2016-12-12 at 09:26 -0500, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
So, up to this point, Langdon White and his merry band of Modularity folks have been calling the proposed modular Fedora Server by the name of "Crazy Server", which I am not fond of. This is for a number of reasons, but mostly because I can't imagine anyone willingly installing and trying something its creators are calling "crazy".
So, I think we need a better name for this effort. My personal suggestion would be to call it "Adaptive Server". Other suggestions welcome.
How about Adaptive Infrastructure eXtensions, or AIX?
(For the record: yes, it's a joke!)
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On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 9:30 AM, Russell Doty rdoty@redhat.com wrote:
How about Adaptive Infrastructure eXtensions, or AIX?
(For the record: yes, it's a joke!)
And yet somehow still the best answer.
Stephen Gallagher sgallagh@redhat.com writes:
So, I think we need a better name for this effort. My personal suggestion would be to call it "Adaptive Server". Other suggestions welcome.
"Modular Server"?
On 12/12/2016 10:13 AM, Marius Vollmer wrote:
Stephen Gallagher sgallagh@redhat.com writes:
So, I think we need a better name for this effort. My personal suggestion would be to call it "Adaptive Server". Other suggestions welcome.
"Modular Server"?
(Reprinting from another reply)
I was looking for a term that would carry some positive "marketing" connotations, beyond the simple descriptive nature of "Modular Server".
Basically, something that catches the eye enough that someone keeps reading to find out what it means.
Stephen Gallagher sgallagh@redhat.com writes:
On 12/12/2016 10:13 AM, Marius Vollmer wrote:
Stephen Gallagher sgallagh@redhat.com writes:
So, I think we need a better name for this effort. My personal suggestion would be to call it "Adaptive Server". Other suggestions welcome.
"Modular Server"?
I was looking for a term that would carry some positive "marketing" connotations, beyond the simple descriptive nature of "Modular Server".
Basically, something that catches the eye enough that someone keeps reading to find out what it means.
"Super Modular Server"? :-)
If you are looking for a non-descriptive name, what about "Honeycomb"? Honeycombs are modular and all around positive. Honeycomb Server, mmmm nam.
On 12/13/2016 03:08 AM, Marius Vollmer wrote:
Stephen Gallagher sgallagh@redhat.com writes:
On 12/12/2016 10:13 AM, Marius Vollmer wrote:
Stephen Gallagher sgallagh@redhat.com writes:
So, I think we need a better name for this effort. My personal suggestion would be to call it "Adaptive Server". Other suggestions welcome.
"Modular Server"?
I was looking for a term that would carry some positive "marketing" connotations, beyond the simple descriptive nature of "Modular Server".
Basically, something that catches the eye enough that someone keeps reading to find out what it means.
"Super Modular Server"? :-)
If you are looking for a non-descriptive name, what about "Honeycomb"? Honeycombs are modular and all around positive. Honeycomb Server, mmmm nam.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_Honeycomb
(Not Android's finest moment, either)
On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 7:26 AM, Stephen Gallagher sgallagh@redhat.com wrote:
So, up to this point, Langdon White and his merry band of Modularity folks have been calling the proposed modular Fedora Server by the name of "Crazy Server", which I am not fond of. This is for a number of reasons, but mostly because I can't imagine anyone willingly installing and trying something its creators are calling "crazy".
Extremely enthusiastic server is a bit long though.
So, I think we need a better name for this effort. My personal suggestion would be to call it "Adaptive Server". Other suggestions welcome.
What makes it adaptive? If it's only user initiated, that's customization. Adaptation indicates the server dynamically alters its behavior on its own.
On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 09:58:47AM -0700, Chris Murphy wrote:
So, up to this point, Langdon White and his merry band of Modularity folks have been calling the proposed modular Fedora Server by the name of "Crazy Server", which I am not fond of. This is for a number of reasons, but mostly because I can't imagine anyone willingly installing and trying something its creators are calling "crazy".
Extremely enthusiastic server is a bit long though.
Fedora Server Mad Scientist Edition
On 12/12/2016 11:58 AM, Chris Murphy wrote:
On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 7:26 AM, Stephen Gallagher sgallagh@redhat.com wrote:
So, up to this point, Langdon White and his merry band of Modularity folks have been calling the proposed modular Fedora Server by the name of "Crazy Server", which I am not fond of. This is for a number of reasons, but mostly because I can't imagine anyone willingly installing and trying something its creators are calling "crazy".
Extremely enthusiastic server is a bit long though.
So, I think we need a better name for this effort. My personal suggestion would be to call it "Adaptive Server". Other suggestions welcome.
What makes it adaptive? If it's only user initiated, that's customization. Adaptation indicates the server dynamically alters its behavior on its own.
Well, the infrastructure adapts to the needs of the users. Not the installed system. In the classic Fedora Server, you get exactly the set of stuff available in the common repository and if you want something else, you need to figure out a workaround. With the modularity implementation, it becomes possible (and supportable) to pull in the set of stuff you need to support your application.
Also, I was looking for a term that would carry some positive "marketing" connotations, beyond the simple descriptive nature of "Modular Server". Basically, something that catches the eye enough that someone keeps reading to find out what it means.
On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 10:10 AM, Stephen Gallagher sgallagh@redhat.com wrote:
On 12/12/2016 11:58 AM, Chris Murphy wrote:
On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 7:26 AM, Stephen Gallagher sgallagh@redhat.com wrote:
So, up to this point, Langdon White and his merry band of Modularity folks have been calling the proposed modular Fedora Server by the name of "Crazy Server", which I am not fond of. This is for a number of reasons, but mostly because I can't imagine anyone willingly installing and trying something its creators are calling "crazy".
Extremely enthusiastic server is a bit long though.
So, I think we need a better name for this effort. My personal suggestion would be to call it "Adaptive Server". Other suggestions welcome.
What makes it adaptive? If it's only user initiated, that's customization. Adaptation indicates the server dynamically alters its behavior on its own.
Well, the infrastructure adapts to the needs of the users. Not the installed system. In the classic Fedora Server, you get exactly the set of stuff available in the common repository and if you want something else, you need to figure out a workaround. With the modularity implementation, it becomes possible (and supportable) to pull in the set of stuff you need to support your application.
Also, I was looking for a term that would carry some positive "marketing" connotations, beyond the simple descriptive nature of "Modular Server". Basically, something that catches the eye enough that someone keeps reading to find out what it means.
Maybe a job for Marvin the Martian. Just make up a word. But hey I'm not a marketer.
On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 10:19 AM, Chris Murphy lists@colorremedies.com wrote:
On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 10:10 AM, Stephen Gallagher sgallagh@redhat.com wrote:
On 12/12/2016 11:58 AM, Chris Murphy wrote:
On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 7:26 AM, Stephen Gallagher sgallagh@redhat.com wrote:
So, up to this point, Langdon White and his merry band of Modularity folks have been calling the proposed modular Fedora Server by the name of "Crazy Server", which I am not fond of. This is for a number of reasons, but mostly because I can't imagine anyone willingly installing and trying something its creators are calling "crazy".
Extremely enthusiastic server is a bit long though.
So, I think we need a better name for this effort. My personal suggestion would be to call it "Adaptive Server". Other suggestions welcome.
What makes it adaptive? If it's only user initiated, that's customization. Adaptation indicates the server dynamically alters its behavior on its own.
Well, the infrastructure adapts to the needs of the users. Not the installed system. In the classic Fedora Server, you get exactly the set of stuff available in the common repository and if you want something else, you need to figure out a workaround. With the modularity implementation, it becomes possible (and supportable) to pull in the set of stuff you need to support your application.
Also, I was looking for a term that would carry some positive "marketing" connotations, beyond the simple descriptive nature of "Modular Server". Basically, something that catches the eye enough that someone keeps reading to find out what it means.
Maybe a job for Marvin the Martian. Just make up a word. But hey I'm not a marketer.
Make up a word, kinda like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capsela
Or name them after Greek mythological figures or something, Atalanta Server.
On 12/12/2016 12:31 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 10:19 AM, Chris Murphy lists@colorremedies.com wrote:
On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 10:10 AM, Stephen Gallagher sgallagh@redhat.com wrote:
On 12/12/2016 11:58 AM, Chris Murphy wrote:
On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 7:26 AM, Stephen Gallagher sgallagh@redhat.com wrote:
So, up to this point, Langdon White and his merry band of Modularity folks have been calling the proposed modular Fedora Server by the name of "Crazy Server", which I am not fond of. This is for a number of reasons, but mostly because I can't imagine anyone willingly installing and trying something its creators are calling "crazy".
Extremely enthusiastic server is a bit long though.
So, I think we need a better name for this effort. My personal suggestion would be to call it "Adaptive Server". Other suggestions welcome.
What makes it adaptive? If it's only user initiated, that's customization. Adaptation indicates the server dynamically alters its behavior on its own.
Well, the infrastructure adapts to the needs of the users. Not the installed system. In the classic Fedora Server, you get exactly the set of stuff available in the common repository and if you want something else, you need to figure out a workaround. With the modularity implementation, it becomes possible (and supportable) to pull in the set of stuff you need to support your application.
Also, I was looking for a term that would carry some positive "marketing" connotations, beyond the simple descriptive nature of "Modular Server". Basically, something that catches the eye enough that someone keeps reading to find out what it means.
Maybe a job for Marvin the Martian. Just make up a word. But hey I'm not a marketer.
Make up a word, kinda like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capsela
Wow, I thought I was the only person who ever had those :)
Or name them after Greek mythological figures or something, Atalanta Server.
On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 10:34 AM, Stephen Gallagher sgallagh@redhat.com wrote:
On 12/12/2016 12:31 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 10:19 AM, Chris Murphy lists@colorremedies.com wrote:
On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 10:10 AM, Stephen Gallagher sgallagh@redhat.com wrote:
On 12/12/2016 11:58 AM, Chris Murphy wrote:
On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 7:26 AM, Stephen Gallagher sgallagh@redhat.com wrote:
So, up to this point, Langdon White and his merry band of Modularity folks have been calling the proposed modular Fedora Server by the name of "Crazy Server", which I am not fond of. This is for a number of reasons, but mostly because I can't imagine anyone willingly installing and trying something its creators are calling "crazy".
Extremely enthusiastic server is a bit long though.
So, I think we need a better name for this effort. My personal suggestion would be to call it "Adaptive Server". Other suggestions welcome.
What makes it adaptive? If it's only user initiated, that's customization. Adaptation indicates the server dynamically alters its behavior on its own.
Well, the infrastructure adapts to the needs of the users. Not the installed system. In the classic Fedora Server, you get exactly the set of stuff available in the common repository and if you want something else, you need to figure out a workaround. With the modularity implementation, it becomes possible (and supportable) to pull in the set of stuff you need to support your application.
Also, I was looking for a term that would carry some positive "marketing" connotations, beyond the simple descriptive nature of "Modular Server". Basically, something that catches the eye enough that someone keeps reading to find out what it means.
Maybe a job for Marvin the Martian. Just make up a word. But hey I'm not a marketer.
Make up a word, kinda like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capsela
Wow, I thought I was the only person who ever had those :)
I sorta wish I'd had the room to keep the cool stuff like this. About the same time I had one of these. $80 vintage, I could have it again! http://www.tgldirect.com/product_files/631101090000/vintage-metal-mighty-ton...
Capsela 1000, $220 damn.
A storage unit definitely would have cost a lot more though.
On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 09:26:25AM -0500, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
So, up to this point, Langdon White and his merry band of Modularity folks have been calling the proposed modular Fedora Server by the name of "Crazy Server", which I am not fond of. This is for a number of reasons, but mostly because I can't imagine anyone willingly installing and trying something its creators are calling "crazy".
So, I think we need a better name for this effort. My personal suggestion would be to call it "Adaptive Server". Other suggestions welcome.
Puzzle Server?
On 2016-12-12 15:26, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
So, up to this point, Langdon White and his merry band of Modularity folks have been calling the proposed modular Fedora Server by the name of "Crazy Server", which I am not fond of. This is for a number of reasons, but mostly because I can't imagine anyone willingly installing and trying something its creators are calling "crazy".
So, I think we need a better name for this effort. My personal suggestion would be to call it "Adaptive Server". Other suggestions welcome.
So Modular is obviously an implementation detail in order to achieve a specific solution, but what is the problem the modular initiative is trying to solve? Some name that refers to that could work I think. - Andreas
On 12/13/2016 08:29 AM, Andreas Nilsson wrote:
On 2016-12-12 15:26, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
So, up to this point, Langdon White and his merry band of Modularity folks have been calling the proposed modular Fedora Server by the name of "Crazy Server", which I am not fond of. This is for a number of reasons, but mostly because I can't imagine anyone willingly installing and trying something its creators are calling "crazy".
So, I think we need a better name for this effort. My personal suggestion would be to call it "Adaptive Server". Other suggestions welcome.
So Modular is obviously an implementation detail in order to achieve a specific solution, but what is the problem the modular initiative is trying to solve? Some name that refers to that could work I think.
Right, so the modular approach is an attempt to deal with the "Too Fast/Too Slow" problem in Fedora. (Essentially, that everyone wants the libraries on the system to be static and unchanging... except their pet library/framework that absolutely has to be the latest available version.)
That's why I suggested "Adaptive"... the design of Server lends itself to adapting to your needs without forcing you to go into uncharted build-it-yourself territory.
On 12/13/2016 08:29 AM, Andreas Nilsson wrote:
On 2016-12-12 15:26, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
So, up to this point, Langdon White and his merry band of Modularity folks have been calling the proposed modular Fedora Server by the name of "Crazy Server", which I am not fond of. This is for a number of reasons, but mostly because I can't imagine anyone willingly installing and trying something its creators are calling "crazy".
So, I think we need a better name for this effort. My personal suggestion would be to call it "Adaptive Server". Other suggestions welcome.
So Modular is obviously an implementation detail in order to achieve a specific solution, but what is the problem the modular initiative is trying to solve? Some name that refers to that could work I think.
Right, so the modular approach is an attempt to deal with the "Too Fast/Too Slow" problem in Fedora. (Essentially, that everyone wants the libraries on the system to be static and unchanging... except their pet library/framework that absolutely has to be the latest available version.)
That's why I suggested "Adaptive"... the design of Server lends itself to adapting to your needs without forcing you to go into uncharted build-it-yourself territory.
If it solves the too fast/too slow problem, call it....
Pace Beat Canter Double Time Stride Metre Hypermetre Measure Prosody Polyrhythm (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZBi-DNO36A) Tock (as in tick-) Synchrony Verse Epos (maybe too grandiose - a body of poetry that conveys the traditions of a society by treating some epic theme (poetry being about rhythm and pace, Fedora being epic, haha)
Here's an interesting word. Modulation. This is modular. Modulation has the same root but refers to music moving from one key to another. Maybe not useful tho. It's less rhythm-oriented and more about pitch.
Here's another one. Assemble. An assembly is a unit comprised of modular parts, yes? Can also refer to the act of putting them together - assembling. But it also refers to an assembly, in an auditorium - an open public gathering. It also refers to the gathering together of people; musically different people singing together to make music eg a chorus. Assemble, assembly, assemblage.
~m
On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 8:29 AM, Andreas Nilsson lists@andreasn.se wrote:
So Modular is obviously an implementation detail in order to achieve a specific solution, but what is the problem the modular initiative is trying to solve? Some name that refers to that could work I think.
I personally think that Adaptive Server defines that well - it adapts to the current environment - i.e. the version of httpd is decoupled from the release. so it is adaptive to the requirements of the user.
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