Work Project: F39 Story – Fedora Server on SBC

[Peter Boy]

Folks, as discussed on our last meeting I put a first draft on hacked.io

https://hackmd.io/7saRpaD_RvGaw1FB3La01Q?both

It’s a first draft and not complete yet, of course.

When logged in to hackmd.io you can comment and edit the text.

Let’s discuss it on our next meeting.

And of course, any comment here on our mailing list is welcome!

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[Peter Robinson]

On Sat, May 13, 2023 at 4:46 PM Peter Boy  wrote:
> Folks, as discussed on our last meeting I put a first draft on hacked.io
>
> https://hackmd.io/7saRpaD_RvGaw1FB3La01Q?both
>
> It’s a first draft and not complete yet, of course.
>
> When logged in to hackmd.io you can comment and edit the text.
>
> Let’s discuss it on our next meeting.
>
> And of course, any comment here on our mailing list is welcome!

It would probably be worthwhile engaging with the arm SIG or at least
copy their mailing list in, they could probably provide valuable input

Also sometimes worthwhile including the full text in a mailing list
post, it may make it easier to comment on specific pieces and will be
around for future reference.
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[Peter Boy]

Thanks for the feedback!
> Am 17.05.2023 um 11:39 schrieb Peter Robinson :
>
> On Sat, May 13, 2023 at 4:46 PM Peter Boy  wrote:
> > Folks, as discussed on our last meeting I put a first draft on hacked.io
> >
> > https://hackmd.io/7saRpaD_RvGaw1FB3La01Q?both
> >
> > It’s a first draft and not complete yet, of course.
> >
> > When logged in to hackmd.io you can comment and edit the text.
> >
> > Let’s discuss it on our next meeting.
> >
> > And of course, any comment here on our mailing list is welcome!
>
> It would probably be worthwhile engaging with the arm SIG or at least
> copy their mailing list in, they could probably provide valuable input

Yes,certainly not only probably. That’s the plan as soon as we have put our ideas together in a comprehensible way, at least roughly. We could really use some advice on even fairly simple things, such as suggestions on which models we should additionally check. At the moment everything is very Rockchip 3399 driven.
> Also sometimes worthwhile including the full text in a mailing list
> post, it may make it easier to comment on specific pieces and will be
> around for future reference.

I am hesitant to post such large amounts of text on the mailing list. But it is currently probably the most efficient way to invite comments, indeed.

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[Peter Boy]

> Am 13.05.2023 um 17:46 schrieb Peter Boy :
>
> Folks, as discussed on our last meeting I put a first draft on hacked.io
>
> https://hackmd.io/7saRpaD_RvGaw1FB3La01Q?both
>
> It’s a first draft and not complete yet, of course.
>
> When logged in to hackmd.io you can comment and edit the text.
>
> Let’s discuss it on our next meeting.
>
> And of course, any comment here on our mailing list is welcome!

The number of comments from our working group on the hacked.io text are not necessarily overwhelming so far. I took this as an hint, that the text was not clear enough about what tasks to work on for our project. I have now written a new project plan and put it in our repo: https://pagure.io/fedora-server/issue/108. And I have deleted the hackmd.io text.

Folks, it would be really helpful if everyone could read and think about the text between now and our meeting on Wednesday and maybe post their thoughts, so we can clarify a few pending items::
* For reference list:
- What other SBC equipment do we have available
- Discussion of the criteria

* Evaluation study
- Discussion of the content plan
- Who can contribute to which section

We should aim to spend no more than 25 minutes on this item at the meeting. But we need to get off the ground. The next release always comes so unexpectedly suddenly.

Happy reading (and thinking and checking)

Peter

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[Hank Lee]

I have a R Pi 4. I can volunteer documenting use cases as backup server and work as a pair with anyone in server group.

[Emmanuel Seyman]

* Hank Lee [05/06/2023 14:12] :
> I have a R Pi 4. I can volunteer documenting use cases as backup
> server and work as a pair with anyone in server group.

Given that a backup server is a project I'm working on right now,
I will happily help you out.

Emmanuel

[Hank Lee]

Back server was my first Pi project, so I'm keen to expand the use case. I could work on a different project.

[Peter Boy]

> Am 05.06.2023 um 16:12 schrieb Hank Lee :
>
> I have a R Pi 4. I can volunteer documenting use cases as backup server and work as a pair with anyone in server group.

Hey Hank, welcome to Server Team. And thanks for the offer. If I remember correctly, we have a Pi3 in the Server WG, but no Pi4. And the Pi 4, while IMHO not particularly suitable as a server, is the reference device in the device class.

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[Stephen Gallagher]

On Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 1:36 PM Peter Boy  wrote:
> > Am 05.06.2023 um 16:12 schrieb Hank Lee :
> >
> > I have a R Pi 4. I can volunteer documenting use cases as backup server and work as a pair with anyone in server group.
>
> Hey Hank, welcome to Server Team. And thanks for the offer. If I remember correctly, we have a Pi3 in the Server WG, but no Pi4. And the Pi 4, while IMHO not particularly suitable as a server, is the reference device in the device class.

I've found my Raspberry Pi 400 (Basically a Pi 4 with built-on
keyboard) to be an excellent light-duty server, honestly. FWIW, I just
stuck Fedora IoT on it and I have it running as a tang server for
network-bound disk encryption as well as an OctoPrint server for 3D
printing.

[J Beard]

Seems like a lot of us use Pi's.  I have 1 that runs my GitLab and 
another 1 is my util server.  I just grabbed a pi 4 4g and currently 
deciding on its use.

Thanks,
Jason

On 6/5/2023 12:46 PM, Daniel Schier wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I am currently working on the cluster setup, in my freetime, for 
> https://beby.cloud/ https://beby.cloud/en/, a RPi4-CM based, modular 
> network computer.
>
> The idea is, that k8s/k3s/k0s will be first-class citizens on the 
> same. Even if an immutable OS seems preferable, I would rate 
> compatibility and integration way higher.
>
> Fedora Server SBC might be a good option. Test Hardware for my 
> personal use is available, too.
>
> Best,
> Daniel
> > Am 05.06.2023 um 19:40 schrieb Stephen Gallagher :
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 1:36 PM Peter Boy  wrote:
> > > > Am 05.06.2023 um 16:12 schrieb Hank Lee :
> > > >
> > > > I have a R Pi 4. I can volunteer documenting use cases as backup 
> > > > server and work as a pair with anyone in server group.
> > >
> > > Hey Hank, welcome to Server Team. And thanks for the offer. If I 
> > > remember correctly, we have a Pi3 in the Server WG, but no Pi4. And 
> > > the Pi 4, while IMHO not particularly suitable as a server, is the 
> > > reference device in the device class.
> >
> > I've found my Raspberry Pi 400 (Basically a Pi 4 with built-on
> > keyboard) to be an excellent light-duty server, honestly. FWIW, I just
> > stuck Fedora IoT on it and I have it running as a tang server for
> > network-bound disk encryption as well as an OctoPrint server for 3D
> > printing.
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[Emmanuel Seyman]

* Peter Boy [05/06/2023 11:14] :
> What other SBC equipment do we have available

FTR, I have:

* a RPi 3
* an ODROID-C2
* a Khadas Vim 1

I am waiting for:

* a Khadas Vim 3L
* a Clockwork DevTerm

I was convinced that I could not install Fedora on the 3 SBC I have but
have learnt you can install Fedora on the Vim.

Emmanuel

[John W. Himpel]

I have 4 odroid-n2 sbc(s),  They are are all 4GB machines with various
amounts on on-board (eMMC storage) and external storage (via  either
sata or usb).

I run dns/dhcp/postfix/dovecot/postgresql/apache on them.

Unfortunately, I have to run either Ubuntu or Android as an O/S as they
require some non-foss kernel modules.

On the odroid-n2 forum/wiki pages, there are references to a few people
who have successfully loaded Fedora on them, but detailed instructions
on how to accomplish this are not forthcoming.

They are quite capable as a home office or small-business servers. 
They also support accelerated graphics are are quite capable desktops.

Peter Robinson reports that the vendor (hardkernel) is not very
responsive to efforts to get hardkernel to open-source the proprietary
modules.

Hardkernel has recently released several follow-up SBC's that are
enhancements to the basic odroid-n2.

I just wish we could somehow convince them to open-source their modules
or if we could develop detailed instructions on how to migrate from
Ubuntu to Fedora.

John

Sat, 2023-05-13 at 17:46 +0200, Peter Boy wrote:
> Folks, as discussed on our last meeting I put a first draft on
> hacked.io
>
> https://hackmd.io/7saRpaD_RvGaw1FB3La01Q?both
>
> It’s a first draft and not complete yet, of course.
>
> When logged in to hackmd.io you can comment and edit the text.
>
> Let’s discuss it on our next meeting.
>
> And of course, any comment here on our mailing list is welcome!
>
> Peter Boy
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