JEE Development Environment question

[John W. Himpel]

All,

The Fedora Server WG has developed an ansible role to deploy a
standalone Wildfly Server.  To test the deployment for accuracy, I
thought I would run one of the quickstarts for Wildfly.  I know that I
can develop and deploy the quickstarts from a non-gui environment. 
However, I suspect many JEE developers use some sort of GUI for
development.

The Wildfly pages suggest using either JBoss Developer Studio (JBDS) or
Elcipe with JBoss Tools and m2eclipse.

Do anyone have any opinions on which IDE works better and/or is easier
to use?

Since Java packaging for Fedora has been reduced to a bare minimum, do
you:
1) Download your IDE and install via tar
2) Use someone's COPR to install your IDE
3) Use someone's flatpak to install your IDE

[Peter Boy]

Hi John,

If you have a look at the java-devel list at https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/[e-mail]... you will notice that your message didn’t arrive there. The same happened to me some weeks ago when I wanted to ask for the appropriate location for Wildfly installation from Third-Party binary. I got no error message and the list is obviously not deactivated.

I discussed the issue with nirik and he asked me to try again and then open an infra ticket with all die details of the mail (I think the complete header) so that they can check what happened.

Please, could you open a ticket with your mail details. I didn’t manage so far to do that (mea culpa).

And as far as I know, many switched to flatpack to install IDE and other Java client software. The experience is mixed, according to the reports. Sometimes it works, sometimes it breaks down. The quality is in any case so far obviously not as good as with RPMs. On the server side we have  RPMs.

And I prefer to install from the projects binary instead of trusting some third party repository.

Best
Peter
> Am 22.08.2023 um 17:54 schrieb John W. Himpel :
>
> All,
>
> The Fedora Server WG has developed an ansible role to deploy a
> standalone Wildfly Server.  To test the deployment for accuracy, I
> thought I would run one of the quickstarts for Wildfly.  I know that I
> can develop and deploy the quickstarts from a non-gui environment. 
> However, I suspect many JEE developers use some sort of GUI for
> development.
>
> The Wildfly pages suggest using either JBoss Developer Studio (JBDS) or
> Elcipe with JBoss Tools and m2eclipse.
>
> Do anyone have any opinions on which IDE works better and/or is easier
> to use?
>
> Since Java packaging for Fedora has been reduced to a bare minimum, do
> you:
> Download your IDE and install via tar
> Use someone's COPR to install your IDE
> Use someone's flatpak to install your IDE
>
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[John W. Himpel]

All,

A cross-posting to [e-mail] and
[e-mail] was accepted by the server list, but
not by the java-devel list.

I opened an issue (#11486) for fedora-infrastructure on fedora pagure.
I included all of the headers from my local copy of the email.

Kevin did some research and saw the email was discarded but did not
find the cause.  The issue is still open but I don't know if anything
subsequent will happen.

If others are seeing the same thing, please open an issue.  The more
reports, the higher the priority.

On Tue, 2023-08-22 at 23:18 +0200, Peter Boy wrote:
> Hi John,
>
> If you have a look at the java-devel list at
> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/[e-mail]...
>  you will notice that your message didn’t arrive there. The same
> happened to me some weeks ago when I wanted to ask for the
> appropriate location for Wildfly installation from Third-Party
> binary. I got no error message and the list is obviously not
> deactivated.
>
> I discussed the issue with nirik and he asked me to try again and
> then open an infra ticket with all die details of the mail (I think
> the complete header) so that they can check what happened.
>
> Please, could you open a ticket with your mail details. I didn’t
> manage so far to do that (mea culpa).
>
> And as far as I know, many switched to flatpack to install IDE and
> other Java client software. The experience is mixed, according to the
> reports. Sometimes it works, sometimes it breaks down. The quality is
> in any case so far obviously not as good as with RPMs. On the server
> side we have  RPMs.
>
> And I prefer to install from the projects binary instead of trusting
> some third party repository.
>
> Best
> Peter
> > Am 22.08.2023 um 17:54 schrieb John W. Himpel :
> >
> > All,
> >
> > The Fedora Server WG has developed an ansible role to deploy a
> > standalone Wildfly Server.  To test the deployment for accuracy, I
> > thought I would run one of the quickstarts for Wildfly.  I know
> > that I
> > can develop and deploy the quickstarts from a non-gui environment. 
> > However, I suspect many JEE developers use some sort of GUI for
> > development.
> >
> > The Wildfly pages suggest using either JBoss Developer Studio
> > (JBDS) or
> > Elcipe with JBoss Tools and m2eclipse.
> >
> > Do anyone have any opinions on which IDE works better and/or is
> > easier
> > to use?
> >
> > Since Java packaging for Fedora has been reduced to a bare minimum,
> > do
> > you:
> > Download your IDE and install via tar
> > Use someone's COPR to install your IDE
> > Use someone's flatpak to install your IDE
> >
> > server mailing list -- [e-mail]
> > To unsubscribe send an email to
> > [e-mail]
> > Fedora Code of Conduct:
> > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/
> > List Guidelines:
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
> > List Archives:
> > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/[e-mail]
> > Do not reply to spam, report it:
> > https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
>
> --
> Peter Boy
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Pboy
> [e-mail]
>
> Timezone: CET (UTC+1) / CEST /UTC+2)
>
> Fedora Server Edition Working Group member
> Fedora Docs team contributor and board member
> Java developer and enthusiast

[Kevin Fenzi]

On Wed, Aug 23, 2023 at 05:09:17PM -0500, John W. Himpel wrote:
> All,
>
> A cross-posting to [e-mail] and
> [e-mail] was accepted by the server list, but
> not by the java-devel list.
>
> I opened an issue (#11486) for fedora-infrastructure on fedora pagure.
> I included all of the headers from my local copy of the email.
>
> Kevin did some research and saw the email was discarded but did not
> find the cause.  The issue is still open but I don't know if anything
> subsequent will happen.

Yes, it's still open. I am hoping I can think of something further to
check or get some other folks to look and find something I missed. ;)
> If others are seeing the same thing, please open an issue.  The more
> reports, the higher the priority.

Thats... not really how it works. But if you are seeing issues, please add
a comment and any information you can to the existing ticket.

Thanks

kevin

[Gregory Carter]

Wildfly is good.

Eclipse.  If you are a beginner it is not a very good IDE for JEE
development because it is rather not up to date, at any given moment from
the JEE timelines and you are reduced to figuring out why your stuff
doesn't work. However, if you are an experienced JEE person and you are out
there on the lists and you understand the dependencies and have experience
dealing with very complex JEE deps, it is OK because most of the time you
can get around the lag in Eclipse support and fix it yourself.  (i.e. We
are in the middle of the great Jakarta/Sun migration and so on and so forth
so it is important your IDE is up to date.)

Intellij. Not mentioned and I wonder why as it is a very good JEE
environment for both the pro and the beginner and is usually up to date and
has decent support if something is broken. Maybe due to the fact it is a
subscription. If you are a beginner and need someone to hold your hand so
you can write code, and not fight with the IDE most of the time, you might
want to check it out.

I never used the other tools, and I suspect there is some of you here
divorced from the GUI IDE development and are sticking with Maven or what
not and Emacs.  Nothing wrong with that.  :-)  I got burned on a project
after Eclipse ate it and was a command line guy for many years.  Then I
bought Intellij and started migrating back to Eclipse several years later.
I now use both.

I use a TARBALL for my Intellij installations.  RPM for Eclipse as I am on
obviously a Fedora desktop.

COPR don't know and FLATPAK don't you dare.  :-)

On Tue, Aug 22, 2023, 8:55 AM John W. Himpel  wrote:
> All,
>
> The Fedora Server WG has developed an ansible role to deploy a
> standalone Wildfly Server.  To test the deployment for accuracy, I
> thought I would run one of the quickstarts for Wildfly.  I know that I
> can develop and deploy the quickstarts from a non-gui environment.
> However, I suspect many JEE developers use some sort of GUI for
> development.
>
> The Wildfly pages suggest using either JBoss Developer Studio (JBDS) or
> Elcipe with JBoss Tools and m2eclipse.
>
> Do anyone have any opinions on which IDE works better and/or is easier
> to use?
>
> Since Java packaging for Fedora has been reduced to a bare minimum, do
> you:
> Download your IDE and install via tar
> Use someone's COPR to install your IDE
> Use someone's flatpak to install your IDE
>
> server mailing list -- [e-mail]
> To unsubscribe send an email to [e-mail]
> Fedora Code of Conduct:
> https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/
> List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
> List Archives:
> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/[e-mail]
> Do not reply to spam, report it:
> https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue

[Peter Boy]

> Am 24.08.2023 um 00:31 schrieb Gregory Carter :
>
> … and FLATPAK don't you dare.  :-)

++1.  :-)

I don't understand why we go to all the effort in Fedora with our quality criteria on the one hand, and then promote application software from sources that don't have these requirements. And at the same time do not accept the use of binaries of the upstream projects.

--
Peter Boy
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[e-mail]

Timezone: CET (UTC+1) / CEST /UTC+2)

Fedora Server Edition Working Group member
Fedora Docs team contributor and board member
Java developer and enthusiast