On 9/22/18 4:48 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Sat, 2018-09-22 at 11:06 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote:
On Fri, Sep 21, 2018 at 11:30 AM Adam Williamson adamwill@fedoraproject.org wrote:
Yes, frankly. Not a lot of testers even keep a DVD-RW drive and media around any more. It takes like a half hour just to write all the media for testing, then another few hours to run complete installs from them all (since optical media are *slow*).
If it's not burdensome, why does no-one except the paid RH folks ever seem to run the test? And usually at the last minute, at that?
I've had to buy three DVD-RW drives *solely for the purpose of being able to test this* (they keep dying, the things aren't terribly reliable). And I keep a spindle of media around, again, solely for the purpose of testing this, I don't use them for anything else. (In fact I've nearly run out, so if we keep this criteria, I'm gonna have to go out and blow some money on some more media I won't ever use for anything but testing this).
This kind of disproportionate shift of a criterion's burden is inappropriate. It also sticks in my craw when bugs like this are discovered late.
In theory if you test the released beta, and a nightly early on in freeze, there shouldn't be a regression in the final release that'd cause only optical boot failures.
In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice...:P
I think I was the one, or at least one of the ones that got burned by the F21 OM bug. That was a pain to get F21 installed. That was on this notebook, and I still get this weird message on boot up. It does not seem to affect anything and better let sleeping dogs lie. Also I think that was the last install I did from the full DVD; I only had 768Kb DSL connectivity at the time. I switched to Netinstall when I switched to Comcast and got 5Gb business (they have since 'upgraded' me to 25Gb at no cost).
That said, first week of October, I will get a 'new' notebook, and test out the netinstall iso on a CD.