Marko Vojinovic wrote:
On Saturday 05 December 2009 13:43:52 Timothy Murphy wrote:
Matthew Saltzman wrote:
Actually, the complexity is that Fedora for some insane reason still defaults to using LVM for everything *other* than /boot. This brings no benefit to most users.
Well, it means I can have separate filesystems for things that I don't want overwritten if I reinstall (/home, /usr/local, /opt, /var/www, etc.)
That's only 4, or 7 with / , /boot and swap. How do you get up to 15?
Multiboot with various Windows, Ubuntu's, other Fedora's? Each should have its own /, at least.
That's what VMs are for, no?
That said, if one does not work in multi-platform software development, I totally agree that cluttering the disk with all that stuff is very ugly, at the very least. These days virtual machines are much cleaner and easier to maintain than multiboot setups.
Best, :-) Marko
Bill Davidsen wrote:
Marko Vojinovic wrote:
On Saturday 05 December 2009 13:43:52 Timothy Murphy wrote:
Matthew Saltzman wrote:
Actually, the complexity is that Fedora for some insane reason still defaults to using LVM for everything *other* than /boot. This brings no benefit to most users.
Well, it means I can have separate filesystems for things that I don't want overwritten if I reinstall (/home, /usr/local, /opt, /var/www, etc.)
That's only 4, or 7 with / , /boot and swap. How do you get up to 15?
Multiboot with various Windows, Ubuntu's, other Fedora's? Each should have its own /, at least.
That's what VMs are for, no?
I don't see any earlier mail in this thread.
Virtual machines are not for everyone, and in any event don't address the problem.
A while ago, I hunted down an ext{2,3{ driver for Windows and installed it. It works quite nicely I can read /boot very well indeed.
However, I can't read any user data because it's in an LVM, and I can't find a Windows driver for that.
The days when Linux could not read Windows filesystems and Windows could not read Linux filesystems are gone, thankfully, but the use of LVMs, for most common people, provides no useful functionality and prevents some.
I've been using and supporting Linux in home and SOHO environments for years, and I've yet to find a time when LVM provided me with any benefit at all.
I can, and do, resize both NTFS partitions from time to time, but with LVM it's harder, if only because I have to do all the same steps plus some more.
That said, if one does not work in multi-platform software development, I totally agree that cluttering the disk with all that stuff is very ugly, at the very least. These days virtual machines are much cleaner and easier to maintain than multiboot setups.
Realistically, most of my systems don't have the capacity to use VMs - evne with 1.5 Gytes of RAM, Firefox seems able to bring a system to its knees.
Best, :-) Marko
Mostly OT I know, but mail to OP's list posting address is rejected. Private reply invited.
On 2009/12/15 08:05 (GMT+0800) John Summerfield composed:
A while ago, I hunted down an ext{2,3{ driver for Windows and installed it. It works quite nicely I can read /boot very well indeed.
However, I can't read any user data because it's in an LVM, and I can't find a Windows driver for that.
The days when Linux could not read Windows filesystems and Windows could not read Linux filesystems are gone, thankfully, but the use of LVMs, for most common people, provides no useful functionality and prevents some.
I've been using and supporting Linux in home and SOHO environments for years, and I've yet to find a time when LVM provided me with any benefit at all.
I can, and do, resize both NTFS partitions from time to time, but with LVM it's harder, if only because I have to do all the same steps plus some more.
Realistically, most of my systems don't have the capacity to use VMs - evne with 1.5 Gytes of RAM, Firefox seems able to bring a system to its knees.
All +1. :-)
If you think FF's power to mire a Linux system is formidable, imagine it with OS/2's "little" shared memory pool: http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.dev.ports.os2/msg/420da1c78b9c4ee6
How did you come to choose RedHat/Fedora when you left OS/2? SUSE seemed to be the favorite among multibooters posting in the Usenet OS/2 groups in the years before *buntu. RedHat always demanded those who wanted access to their HPFS partitions while booted to Linux to compile their own kernels, and still AFAIK Fedora does that even now.
I don't suppose you know anything similar in ease of use on Linux to PMView on OS/2 for simple cropping, format conversion, resizing or color tweaking, do you? How about a file picker like XFile? Those two OS/2 features, plus running DOS SVGA text mode apps better than DOS can do itself, are why I still haven't given OS/2 up yet.
Forgive me please if I've asked this before, but I don't remember whether.
Felix Miata wrote:
Mostly OT I know, but mail to OP's list posting address is rejected.
I've just mentioned in another post how that happens.
If you think FF's power to mire a Linux system is formidable, imagine it with OS/2's "little" shared memory pool: http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.dev.ports.os2/msg/420da1c78b9c4ee6
I'd rather not.
How did you come to choose RedHat/Fedora when you left OS/2? SUSE seemed to be the favorite among multibooters posting in the Usenet OS/2 groups in the years before *buntu. RedHat always demanded those who wanted access to their HPFS partitions while booted to Linux to compile their own kernels, and still AFAIK Fedora does that even now.
SUSE, I think, wasn't around then, at least on Oz. Donnie Barnes (RH) was out there in usenet helping wannabe Linux people. RHL got good reports. I bought RHL 3.0.3 from RH. I bought more recent releases in Oz. I got Hurricane on a cheapbytes CD, bought RHL5.1 and (I think) 5.2. I stopped buying RHL when I thought the price was getting too silly.
5.0 is when I switched off OSS/2. Lotus brought out new client release of Notes, not supporting OS/2. I didn't use Notes, but I did ask myself, "If Lotus, and IBM subsidiary, doesn't support OS/2 why should I use it? and "What can I do on OS/2 that I can't do on Linux?"
I was already using some free software on OS/2 - PINE, Apache, emx.
I did download some releases through a modem.
I don't suppose you know anything similar in ease of use on Linux to PMView on OS/2 for simple cropping, format conversion, resizing or color tweaking, do you? How about a file picker like XFile? Those two OS/2 features, plus running DOS SVGA text mode apps better than DOS can do itself, are why I still haven't given OS/2 up yet.
I didn't do any image processing on OS/2.
Forgive me please if I've asked this before, but I don't remember whether.