I notice there are several test cases for installation sources[1], but the one I use is not listed.
Proposal: InstallSourceUSBDrive
A USB thumb drive is extremely portable, fast, and reusable. Installing from a USB drive can be easily 10 times quicker than a DVD or CD and you can use as many Fedora images as you like instead of throwing away a DVD when you are done.
In F13, I am not able to use my USB drives to install from. Anaconda complains that it is unable to find my install media when it gets to the point it looks for it. Before I went and made a bug report or pursued my issue further, I'd like to see if anyone else sees this installation source as a supported one.
Thanks, Michael
[1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Installation_Source
Greetings Michael,
On Fri, 2010-03-19 at 11:38 -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
I notice there are several test cases for installation sources[1], but the one I use is not listed.
Proposal: InstallSourceUSBDrive
A USB thumb drive is extremely portable, fast, and reusable. Installing from a USB drive can be easily 10 times quicker than a DVD or CD and you can use as many Fedora images as you like instead of throwing away a DVD when you are done.
In F13, I am not able to use my USB drives to install from. Anaconda complains that it is unable to find my install media when it gets to the point it looks for it. Before I went and made a bug report or pursued my issue further, I'd like to see if anyone else sees this installation source as a supported one.
Would this include booting from the USB media, or just booting the installer using other available methods, and choosing your USB drive as an HDISO install?
How do you normally prepare you USB media for install?
Thanks, James
[1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Installation_Source
James Laska wrote:
Would this include booting from the USB media, or just booting the installer using other available methods, and choosing your USB drive as an HDISO install?
Yes, booting from the USB stick.
How do you normally prepare you USB media for install?
# livecd-iso-to-disk --reset-mbr Fedora-12-x86_64-DVD.iso /dev/usbstick
Then I can use the /dev/usbstick device on any computer that can boot from USB (anything in the past 10 years). This method is what has stopped working in F13.
On Fri, 2010-03-19 at 12:03 -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
James Laska wrote:
Would this include booting from the USB media, or just booting the installer using other available methods, and choosing your USB drive as an HDISO install?
Yes, booting from the USB stick.
How do you normally prepare you USB media for install?
# livecd-iso-to-disk --reset-mbr Fedora-12-x86_64-DVD.iso /dev/usbstick
Then I can use the /dev/usbstick device on any computer that can boot from USB (anything in the past 10 years). This method is what has stopped working in F13.
It works fine for me, at least it did with Alpha (last point at which I tested). Quite a lot of the 'live image' testing we do is actually done with USB sticks, it's just easier that way.
Installing from a live image written to a USB stick is certainly expected to work, if you're having trouble with that please do file a bug.
Adam Williamson wrote:
It works fine for me, at least it did with Alpha (last point at which I tested). Quite a lot of the 'live image' testing we do is actually done with USB sticks, it's just easier that way.
Installing from a live image written to a USB stick is certainly expected to work, if you're having trouble with that please do file a bug.
I'm not using a live image. This is the main confusion point that I see people having. I am using a DVD install ISO and placing it on a USB drive.
Installing from a live image does work just fine - DVD ISO does not.
On Fri, 2010-03-19 at 14:10 -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
I'm not using a live image. This is the main confusion point that I see people having. I am using a DVD install ISO and placing it on a USB drive.
Installing from a live image does work just fine - DVD ISO does not.
As far as I know, this is not currently expected to work, nor is it tested. If it worked at all in the past, it was an accident.
Jesse Keating wrote:
As far as I know, this is not currently expected to work, nor is it tested. If it worked at all in the past, it was an accident.
A quick Google search reveals there's a nice following of users[1] who have been using this method for a while. This is why I'd like to make it official. The livecd-iso-to-disc script has support for this already.
On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 02:44:09PM -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
Jesse Keating wrote:
As far as I know, this is not currently expected to work, nor is it tested. If it worked at all in the past, it was an accident.
A quick Google search reveals there's a nice following of users[1] who have been using this method for a while. This is why I'd like to make it official. The livecd-iso-to-disc script has support for this already.
You will have to fork the script for this, because the upstream maintainer of the script does not want to support this officially. I already asked for this a long time ago. Back then anaconda supported to loop-mount iso images, which made it all very easy and useful, but this has gone. :-(
Regards Till
We have some contradictory claims about what's possible and what's supported upstream:
On Fri, 2010-03-19 at 14:44 -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote: Jesse Keating wrote:
As far as I know, this is not currently expected to work, nor is it tested. If it worked at all in the past, it was an accident.
A quick Google search reveals there's a nice following of users[1] who have been using this method for a while. This is why I'd like to make it official. The livecd-iso-to-disc script has support for this already.
On Sat, 2010-03-20 at 13:34 +0100, Till Maas wrote:
You will have to fork the script for this, because the upstream maintainer of the script does not want to support this officially. I already asked for this a long time ago. Back then anaconda supported to loop-mount iso images, which made it all very easy and useful, but this has gone. :-(
Is there a bug or ticket which is tracking the recent instance of the request?
It does seem nice to have an officially supported command-line tool for writing ISOs to CD/DVD, though we have several good graphical ones mentioned in the official guide:
http://docs.fedoraproject.org/readme-burning-isos/en-US.html#sect-Burning_IS...
I'm wondering if livecd-iso-to-disk isn't going to be that, is there another favorite utilty that Fedora could adopt? I know "dd" now works for USB drives, but I assume not for CDs and DVDs?
-B.
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 07:42:22PM -0400, Christopher Beland wrote:
We have some contradictory claims about what's possible and what's supported upstream:
On Fri, 2010-03-19 at 14:44 -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote: Jesse Keating wrote:
As far as I know, this is not currently expected to work, nor is it tested. If it worked at all in the past, it was an accident.
A quick Google search reveals there's a nice following of users[1] who have been using this method for a while. This is why I'd like to make it official. The livecd-iso-to-disc script has support for this already.
On Sat, 2010-03-20 at 13:34 +0100, Till Maas wrote:
You will have to fork the script for this, because the upstream maintainer of the script does not want to support this officially. I already asked for this a long time ago. Back then anaconda supported to loop-mount iso images, which made it all very easy and useful, but this has gone. :-(
Is there a bug or ticket which is tracking the recent instance of the request?
No, I asked on the mailing list.
It does seem nice to have an officially supported command-line tool for writing ISOs to CD/DVD, though we have several good graphical ones mentioned in the official guide:
http://docs.fedoraproject.org/readme-burning-isos/en-US.html#sect-Burning_IS...
I'm wondering if livecd-iso-to-disk isn't going to be that, is there another favorite utilty that Fedora could adopt? I know "dd" now works for USB drives, but I assume not for CDs and DVDs?
You can used wodim for CDs and dvdrecord for DVDs afaik, but this is not the feature I was writing about. I wrote about creating USB media with the contents of the DVD installation media.
Regards Till
On Fri, 2010-03-19 at 14:10 -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
Adam Williamson wrote:
It works fine for me, at least it did with Alpha (last point at which I tested). Quite a lot of the 'live image' testing we do is actually done with USB sticks, it's just easier that way.
Installing from a live image written to a USB stick is certainly expected to work, if you're having trouble with that please do file a bug.
I'm not using a live image. This is the main confusion point that I see people having. I am using a DVD install ISO and placing it on a USB drive.
Installing from a live image does work just fine - DVD ISO does not.
Oh. I don't know if we support that, certainly using the livecd-iso-to-disk script (whose name sort of indicates what it's meant for). I believe there's been a bug report where an anaconda dev gave a working procedure. Can't quite recall the details at present.
Adam Williamson wrote:
Oh. I don't know if we support that, certainly using the livecd-iso-to-disk script (whose name sort of indicates what it's meant for). I believe there's been a bug report where an anaconda dev gave a working procedure. Can't quite recall the details at present.
Open the livecd-iso-to-disk script and search for "DVD" and look at the results. :)
On Fri, 2010-03-19 at 12:39 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Fri, 2010-03-19 at 14:10 -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
Adam Williamson wrote:
It works fine for me, at least it did with Alpha (last point at which I tested). Quite a lot of the 'live image' testing we do is actually done with USB sticks, it's just easier that way.
Installing from a live image written to a USB stick is certainly expected to work, if you're having trouble with that please do file a bug.
I'm not using a live image. This is the main confusion point that I see people having. I am using a DVD install ISO and placing it on a USB drive.
Installing from a live image does work just fine - DVD ISO does not.
Oh. I don't know if we support that, certainly using the livecd-iso-to-disk script (whose name sort of indicates what it's meant for). I believe there's been a bug report where an anaconda dev gave a working procedure. Can't quite recall the details at present.
Seems to work fine using my 4GB USB key and the TC0 DVD iso
Thanks, James
On Fri, 2010-03-19 at 11:52 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Fri, 2010-03-19 at 12:03 -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
James Laska wrote:
Would this include booting from the USB media, or just booting the installer using other available methods, and choosing your USB drive as an HDISO install?
Yes, booting from the USB stick.
How do you normally prepare you USB media for install?
# livecd-iso-to-disk --reset-mbr Fedora-12-x86_64-DVD.iso /dev/usbstick
Then I can use the /dev/usbstick device on any computer that can boot from USB (anything in the past 10 years). This method is what has stopped working in F13.
It works fine for me, at least it did with Alpha (last point at which I tested). Quite a lot of the 'live image' testing we do is actually done with USB sticks, it's just easier that way.
Installing from a live image written to a USB stick is certainly expected to work, if you're having trouble with that please do file a bug.
In this case, Michael is testing by writing the DVD iso to a USB device using livecd-iso-to-disk. I've done this procedure with a boot.iso many times in the past. I'll try with a DVD shortly.
Thanks, James
On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 7:18 PM, James Laska jlaska@redhat.com wrote:
Then I can use the /dev/usbstick device on any computer that can boot from USB (anything in the past 10 years). This method is what has stopped working in F13.
It works fine for me, at least it did with Alpha (last point at which I tested). Quite a lot of the 'live image' testing we do is actually done with USB sticks, it's just easier that way.
Installing from a live image written to a USB stick is certainly expected to work, if you're having trouble with that please do file a bug.
In this case, Michael is testing by writing the DVD iso to a USB device using livecd-iso-to-disk. I've done this procedure with a boot.iso many times in the past. I'll try with a DVD shortly.
I have used this method to boot the DVD install iso from a usbkey but there is one watchpoint that may catch the unwary - and that is when you get to install grub on the mbr by default since the install is initiated from the usbkey it will usually try to write grub to the MBR of the stick unless you tell the install to put it on your HD. It can be manually corrected after the install but in order to boot the newly installed system you would have to get to a rescue disk and use grubinstall to write the MBR - unless you change the settings during the install.
If this method becomes official then maybe there should be a set of options but with the default switched to install grub on the MBR of the first HD ? Or this would need to have some thinking first as to how to handle the defaults?
On 03/19/2010 02:18 PM, James Laska wrote:
In this case, Michael is testing by writing the DVD iso to a USB device using livecd-iso-to-disk. I've done this procedure with a boot.iso many times in the past. I'll try with a DVD shortly.
Ping: Any luck?
Should I file a bug or...? I'd create a template but the livecd scripts are mentioned to not be the way to go.
Michael
On Mon, 2010-03-22 at 19:29 -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
On 03/19/2010 02:18 PM, James Laska wrote:
In this case, Michael is testing by writing the DVD iso to a USB device using livecd-iso-to-disk. I've done this procedure with a boot.iso many times in the past. I'll try with a DVD shortly.
Ping: Any luck?
Should I file a bug or...? I'd create a template but the livecd scripts are mentioned to not be the way to go.
Apologies, I replied elsewhere in this thread [1]. No problems when I tested.
I've added wtogami to the cc list for his thoughts on whether using livecd-iso-to-disk is intended/supported for writing CD or DVD ISO install media to a USB stick.
Thanks, James
[1] http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2010-March/089432.html
James Laska wrote:
Apologies, I replied elsewhere in this thread [1]. No problems when I tested.
Ah, I overlooked that. Did you use the same livecd-iso-to-disk call? Booted from and installed from the same USB stick? (ie. no CD/DVD used)
I've tried two different USB sticks with the same result. Perhaps it is a configuration issue with the computer I am attempting to install on. Are there any debugging hints I might learn to see what it is on my end?
I've added wtogami to the cc list for his thoughts on whether using livecd-iso-to-disk is intended/supported for writing CD or DVD ISO install media to a USB stick.
Thanks.
On Tue, 2010-03-23 at 12:17 -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
James Laska wrote:
Apologies, I replied elsewhere in this thread [1]. No problems when I tested.
Ah, I overlooked that. Did you use the same livecd-iso-to-disk call? Booted from and installed from the same USB stick? (ie. no CD/DVD used)
Yeah, I ran the following command ...
# livecd-iso-to-disk --noverify --format Fedora-13-Beta-i386-DVD.iso /dev/sdb1
Then booted, and installed from that live image with no other optical media present on the system.
I've tried two different USB sticks with the same result. Perhaps it is a configuration issue with the computer I am attempting to install on. Are there any debugging hints I might learn to see what it is on my end?
While I don't think there is anything specific to your use case, you might try reviewing https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_debug_installation_problems for ideas.
I've added wtogami to the cc list for his thoughts on whether using livecd-iso-to-disk is intended/supported for writing CD or DVD ISO install media to a USB stick.
Thanks.
On 03/23/2010 12:25 PM, James Laska wrote:
Yeah, I ran the following command ...
# livecd-iso-to-disk --noverify --format Fedora-13-Beta-i386-DVD.iso /dev/sdb1
Then booted, and installed from that live image with no other optical media present on the system.
I used your same arguments but it still failed with the same error message in the same place. I've even had a friend try with a complete different USB drive and different system. He also got the same error in the same place.
While I don't think there is anything specific to your use case, you might try reviewing https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_debug_installation_problems for ideas.
I'm attaching my anaconda, storage, and program logs. Should I open a bug to keep this tracked?
Thanks, Michael
On 03/23/2010 12:25 PM, James Laska wrote:
Yeah, I ran the following command ...
# livecd-iso-to-disk --noverify --format Fedora-13-Beta-i386-DVD.iso /dev/sdb1
Then booted, and installed from that live image with no other optical media present on the system.
May I ask what kernel parameters you received after loading the ISO onto the USB drive?
Thanks, Michael
P.S. Were my logs[1] any help?
[1] http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2010-March/089736.html