Greetings testers,
Adam Williamson and Ben Skeggs have lined up an exciting Fedora Test Day topic. This Thursday, March 26 will focus on testing the new nouveau graphics driver. If the Intel graphics test day [1] was any indication, this will be a busy event.
As outlined in the NouveauAsDefault feature page [2], the nouveau driver will be replacing the previous 'nv' driver for nVidia chipsets. There are several notable improvements including RANDR 1.2 support and accelerated XRENDER support. To determine if you have the required hardware, run the following command:
# /sbin/lspci -d 10de: | grep -iq VGA && echo "Join Nouveau Fedora Test Day"
So come join #fedora-qa this Thursday, March 26, 2009 to share your Nouveau graphics test results. A Fedora live image will be available to aid testing. Stay tuned for more details are available at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Test_Days/2009-03-24.
Thanks, James
[1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Test_Days/2009-03-12 [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/NouveauAsDefault
On Tue, 2009-03-24 at 17:28 -0400, James Laska wrote: [snip]
Looks like this link should have been: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Test_Days/2009-03-26
On Tue, 2009-03-24 at 17:52 -0400, David Malcolm wrote:
On Tue, 2009-03-24 at 17:28 -0400, James Laska wrote: [snip]
Looks like this link should have been: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Test_Days/2009-03-26
Thank you for catching that. And many thanks to whomever created the wiki redirect to correct my goof.
Thanks, James
Hi!
On 24.03.2009 22:28, James Laska wrote:
Greetings testers,
Adam Williamson and Ben Skeggs have lined up an exciting Fedora Test Day topic. This Thursday, March 26 will focus on testing the new nouveau graphics driver. If the Intel graphics test day [1] was any indication, this will be a busy event.
Why are these "Fedora Test Day" announcements being send to fedora-devel-announce? I can't see how they fit into the rule set that https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-announce lists. Quoting it here again:
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- Tools changes that affect developers.
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- Periodic automated reports (violates the INFREQUENT rule)
- Discussion
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They IMHO violate the hinted "INFREQUENT rule", as they come weekly right now.
CU knurd (who is getting more and more worried that packagers with only one or two packages start to ignore fedora-devel-announce because it gets more and more mails that are not of interest for them)
P.S.: While at it: The mail "Fedora 11 Beta slip" definitely was okay for fedora-devel-announce, but I wonder if it should have gone to fedora-announce-list as well, as such slips in the past normally have been announced there; take the F11 Alpha slip for example: http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2009-February/msg00003.h...
On Wed, 2009-03-25 at 07:38 +0100, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote:
Hi!
On 24.03.2009 22:28, James Laska wrote:
Greetings testers,
Adam Williamson and Ben Skeggs have lined up an exciting Fedora Test Day topic. This Thursday, March 26 will focus on testing the new nouveau graphics driver. If the Intel graphics test day [1] was any indication, this will be a busy event.
Why are these "Fedora Test Day" announcements being send to fedora-devel-announce? I can't see how they fit into the rule set that https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-announce lists. Quoting it here again:
James, I think Thorsten's probably right here. We should probably send them to just -devel, not -devel-announce.
On Wed, 2009-03-25 at 05:21 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Wed, 2009-03-25 at 07:38 +0100, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote:
Hi!
On 24.03.2009 22:28, James Laska wrote:
Greetings testers,
Adam Williamson and Ben Skeggs have lined up an exciting Fedora Test Day topic. This Thursday, March 26 will focus on testing the new nouveau graphics driver. If the Intel graphics test day [1] was any indication, this will be a busy event.
Why are these "Fedora Test Day" announcements being send to fedora-devel-announce? I can't see how they fit into the rule set that https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-announce lists. Quoting it here again:
James, I think Thorsten's probably right here. We should probably send them to just -devel, not -devel-announce.
Sounds like a plan. I'll make sure future announcements go out to fedora-devel-list@.
Thanks for the feedback! James
On Tue, 2009-03-24 at 17:28 -0400, James Laska wrote:
Greetings testers,
Adam Williamson and Ben Skeggs have lined up an exciting Fedora Test Day topic. This Thursday, March 26 will focus on testing the new nouveau graphics driver. If the Intel graphics test day [1] was any indication, this will be a busy event.
As outlined in the NouveauAsDefault feature page [2], the nouveau driver will be replacing the previous 'nv' driver for nVidia chipsets. There are several notable improvements including RANDR 1.2 support and accelerated XRENDER support. To determine if you have the required hardware, run the following command:
# /sbin/lspci -d 10de: | grep -iq VGA && echo "Join Nouveau Fedora Test Day"
So come join #fedora-qa this Thursday, March 26, 2009 to share your Nouveau graphics test results. A Fedora live image will be available to aid testing. Stay tuned for more details are available at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Test_Days/2009-03-24.
I just updated the wiki with links to new Live images for i686 and x86_64.
Happy downloading :)
Thanks, James
James Laska wrote:
So come join #fedora-qa this Thursday, March 26, 2009 to share your Nouveau graphics test results. A Fedora live image will be available to aid testing. Stay tuned for more details are available at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Test_Days/2009-03-24.
It seems hard to imagine how filling in the test matrix should need a contributor's agreement (see earlier discussions about triage). If this is a necessary artifact of the wiki, then don't use the wiki. I believe that the set of testers (and hence the hardware reported) would expand if this requirement was dropped.
On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 02:34:53PM +0300, shmuel siegel wrote:
James Laska wrote:
So come join #fedora-qa this Thursday, March 26, 2009 to share your Nouveau graphics test results. A Fedora live image will be available to aid testing. Stay tuned for more details are available at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Test_Days/2009-03-24.
It seems hard to imagine how filling in the test matrix should need a contributor's agreement (see earlier discussions about triage). If this is a necessary artifact of the wiki, then don't use the wiki. I believe that the set of testers (and hence the hardware reported) would expand if this requirement was dropped.
We're actually working on doing exactly this. It's hard to see how filling out a "pass/fail" matrix is a copyrightable contribution. So, like our FUDCon namespace, where people can pre-register without having a FAS account or a CLA, there should be easier access to this particular namespace or subset of pages.
shmuel siegel wrote:
I believe that the set of testers (and hence the hardware reported) would expand if this requirement was dropped.
I can't help but think you are correct. The excuse the CLA is required to contribute to the wiki is lame at best. Convenient answer for a tricky situation. On the other hand some lawyer can justify his paycheck.
That said, nothing is going to change (dead horse). I have to assume the powers that be decided (with the help of lawyer's), that the CLA was worth the negative impact on contributions.
TK009
On Fri, 2009-03-27 at 14:34 +0300, shmuel siegel wrote:
James Laska wrote:
So come join #fedora-qa this Thursday, March 26, 2009 to share your Nouveau graphics test results. A Fedora live image will be available to aid testing. Stay tuned for more details are available at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Test_Days/2009-03-24.
It seems hard to imagine how filling in the test matrix should need a contributor's agreement (see earlier discussions about triage). If this is a necessary artifact of the wiki, then don't use the wiki. I believe that the set of testers (and hence the hardware reported) would expand if this requirement was dropped.
Mostly I agree, but there's no practical alternative to using the Wiki at present. Paul Frields' reply is the only possible way out for a while.
On Fri, 2009-03-27 at 14:34 +0300, shmuel siegel wrote:
James Laska wrote:
So come join #fedora-qa this Thursday, March 26, 2009 to share your Nouveau graphics test results. A Fedora live image will be available to aid testing. Stay tuned for more details are available at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Test_Days/2009-03-24.
It seems hard to imagine how filling in the test matrix should need a contributor's agreement (see earlier discussions about triage). If this is a necessary artifact of the wiki, then don't use the wiki. I believe that the set of testers (and hence the hardware reported) would expand if this requirement was dropped.
As a stop-gap, BTW, if you want to do the tests but don't want to sign the CLA to submit the results, email them to me and I'll add them to the table.
On Fri, 2009-03-27 at 14:34 +0300, shmuel siegel wrote:
James Laska wrote:
So come join #fedora-qa this Thursday, March 26, 2009 to share your Nouveau graphics test results. A Fedora live image will be available to aid testing. Stay tuned for more details are available at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Test_Days/2009-03-24.
It seems hard to imagine how filling in the test matrix should need a contributor's agreement (see earlier discussions about triage). If this is a necessary artifact of the wiki, then don't use the wiki. I believe that the set of testers (and hence the hardware reported) would expand if this requirement was dropped.
Thanks for your concerns!
The infrastructure team is investigating enabling an anonymous feedback mechanism for test days. The hope is that this might address some of your concerns around contributor feedback. My concern is that we might not be able to reach out to the anonymous reporter for additional information. But that certainly doesn't negate the proposal.
Thanks, James
On Fri, 2009-03-27 at 11:40 -0400, James Laska wrote:
On Fri, 2009-03-27 at 14:34 +0300, shmuel siegel wrote:
James Laska wrote:
So come join #fedora-qa this Thursday, March 26, 2009 to share your Nouveau graphics test results. A Fedora live image will be available to aid testing. Stay tuned for more details are available at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Test_Days/2009-03-24.
It seems hard to imagine how filling in the test matrix should need a contributor's agreement (see earlier discussions about triage). If this is a necessary artifact of the wiki, then don't use the wiki. I believe that the set of testers (and hence the hardware reported) would expand if this requirement was dropped.
Thanks for your concerns!
The infrastructure team is investigating enabling an anonymous feedback mechanism for test days. The hope is that this might address some of your concerns around contributor feedback. My concern is that we might not be able to reach out to the anonymous reporter for additional information. But that certainly doesn't negate the proposal.
It pays to read the remainder of the thread first. See the message from Paul Frields (https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-March/msg01172.html).
Thanks, James
On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 11:41:38AM -0400, James Laska wrote:
On Fri, 2009-03-27 at 11:40 -0400, James Laska wrote:
On Fri, 2009-03-27 at 14:34 +0300, shmuel siegel wrote:
James Laska wrote:
So come join #fedora-qa this Thursday, March 26, 2009 to share your Nouveau graphics test results. A Fedora live image will be available to aid testing. Stay tuned for more details are available at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Test_Days/2009-03-24.
It seems hard to imagine how filling in the test matrix should need a contributor's agreement (see earlier discussions about triage). If this is a necessary artifact of the wiki, then don't use the wiki. I believe that the set of testers (and hence the hardware reported) would expand if this requirement was dropped.
Thanks for your concerns!
The infrastructure team is investigating enabling an anonymous feedback mechanism for test days. The hope is that this might address some of your concerns around contributor feedback. My concern is that we might not be able to reach out to the anonymous reporter for additional information. But that certainly doesn't negate the proposal.
It pays to read the remainder of the thread first. See the message from Paul Frields (https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-March/msg01172.html).
Looks like the new namespace is up and functioning now. You can make new pages with titles like this:
Test_Day:Foo_feature_2008-12-01
The "Test_Day:" namespace should allow public editing. I would advocate moving any future test day pages to the appropriate title in that namespace. Use a similar title to what's shown above, to maximize searchability.
I'd also recommend making a category like [[Category:F11_test_days]] if it doesn't exist already, and putting that link at the bottom each page to attach it to the category.
On Mon, 2009-03-30 at 09:32 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
I'd also recommend making a category like [[Category:F11_test_days]] if it doesn't exist already, and putting that link at the bottom each page to attach it to the category.
I have the general Test Day category now (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Test_Days). I only have the test days listed by release on the individual Test Day schedule (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Test_Days).
Thanks, James
On Mon, 2009-03-30 at 09:32 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
Looks like the new namespace is up and functioning now. You can make new pages with titles like this:
Test_Day:Foo_feature_2008-12-01
The "Test_Day:" namespace should allow public editing. I would advocate moving any future test day pages to the appropriate title in that namespace. Use a similar title to what's shown above, to maximize searchability.
QA/Test_Day:blahblah, or just Test_Day:blahblah ?
On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 08:07:32AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Mon, 2009-03-30 at 09:32 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
Looks like the new namespace is up and functioning now. You can make new pages with titles like this:
Test_Day:Foo_feature_2008-12-01
The "Test_Day:" namespace should allow public editing. I would advocate moving any future test day pages to the appropriate title in that namespace. Use a similar title to what's shown above, to maximize searchability.
QA/Test_Day:blahblah, or just Test_Day:blahblah ?
Just "Test_Day:blahblah". You can also add these pages to [[Category:QA]].
Greetings testers,
Thanks to all who participated! Test days with Live images are always very popular. I've also learned that Test Days that focus on high-profile features that impact a large set of users are even more popular.
Just wanted to share some highlights:
* 1 test day announcement that pointed to the wrong wiki page [1] (https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-March/msg01126.html) * 6 nouveau test cases created by Adam Williamson (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Nouveau_Test_Cases) * 68 recorded unique participants (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Test_Days/2009-03-26#Results) * 47 bugs filed (http://tinyurl.com/dxvexk) * 38 NEW * 4 CLOSED DUPLICATE * 4 CLOSED NOTABUG * 1 CLOSED RAWHIDE
Many thanks to Adam Williamson for coordinating testing and tirelessly keeping the communication lines flowing throughout the day.
Thanks again, James
[1] I *think* dmalcolm fixed my goof here. Thank you Dave!
On Tue, 2009-03-24 at 17:28 -0400, James Laska wrote:
Greetings testers,
Adam Williamson and Ben Skeggs have lined up an exciting Fedora Test Day topic. This Thursday, March 26 will focus on testing the new nouveau graphics driver. If the Intel graphics test day [1] was any indication, this will be a busy event.
As outlined in the NouveauAsDefault feature page [2], the nouveau driver will be replacing the previous 'nv' driver for nVidia chipsets. There are several notable improvements including RANDR 1.2 support and accelerated XRENDER support. To determine if you have the required hardware, run the following command:
# /sbin/lspci -d 10de: | grep -iq VGA && echo "Join Nouveau Fedora Test Day"
So come join #fedora-qa this Thursday, March 26, 2009 to share your Nouveau graphics test results. A Fedora live image will be available to aid testing. Stay tuned for more details are available at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Test_Days/2009-03-24.
Thanks, James
[1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Test_Days/2009-03-12 [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/NouveauAsDefault
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