A recent fresh install of F10 from DVD seemed normal enough. Gnome and KDE boot normally, everything is fine. However, I prefer fluxbox. I installed it afterwards, but when I type startx, there is no mouse cursor. This is on an Acer Aspire 4720z, which uses the synaptics driver. The older Fedora versions have that entry in xorg.conf on this machine. The later Rawhide test installs don't have an xorg.conf, of course, but it worked fine with them as well.
If I right click on the desktop, a context menu opens, which is normal behavior. However, still no cursor. I can navigate the menu with the invisible cursor. Now, when I open an application, xterm, firefox or whatever, if I drag the mouse back and forth into the application once or twice and left click, a cursor appears. That's in fluxbox.
In openbox, the same behavior occurs with an xterm. However, if I open a gtk app, such as firefox or gnome-terminal (again, I can open them by left clicking the as yet invisible mouse) the cursor just appears, usually with that little blue moving circle that one sees when first logging into a Gnome desktop.
Putting a working rawhide install's xorg.conf in there didn't help. Dmesg and Xorg logs show the same thing as a working installation's logs, seeing a synaptics mouse on boot and upon starting xorg, Mac mouse emulation.
Other things I've tried, after googling and seeing various mouse problems--(though none were desktop specific, in those cases, the poster seemed to not have a mouse at all) were removing rhgb quiet from the grub line (apparently helps with some nvidia cards), adding HWCursor off to xorg.conf, installing config-system-display and using it. None of these help.
It's more an amusing inconvenience than disaster, since, A) the cursor does appear after anything is opened, and B) the whole reason I prefer the *box WM's is because they enable to do almost everything without the mouse.
I was able to duplicate this on two test installs, but I've only tried on this one machine, an Acer 4720z, which has frequently given me Just Me(TM) problems.
Using gpm also works without problem, so the system is seeing the mouse, Gnome and KDE see the mouse, it's just that the *box WM's seem to not notice there's a mouse till an application opens.
Has anyone run into something like this? I'm not sure what Gnome and KDE are doing that fluxbox isn't in this case.
Thanks for any input.
I also tried, on the second test install, upgrading the existing F10 releaes to today's rawhide, but there was no change.
--- On Fri, 11/28/08, Scott Robbins scottro@nyc.rr.com wrote:
From: Scott Robbins scottro@nyc.rr.com Subject: No mouse cursor in {flux|open}box until an application is opened To: "For testers of Fedora Core development releases" fedora-test-list@redhat.com Date: Friday, November 28, 2008, 6:59 PM A recent fresh install of F10 from DVD seemed normal enough. Gnome and KDE boot normally, everything is fine. However, I prefer fluxbox. I installed it afterwards, but when I type startx, there is no mouse cursor. This is on an Acer Aspire 4720z, which uses the synaptics driver. The older Fedora versions have that entry in xorg.conf on this machine. The later Rawhide test installs don't have an xorg.conf, of course, but it worked fine with them as well.
If I right click on the desktop, a context menu opens, which is normal behavior. However, still no cursor. I can navigate the menu with the invisible cursor. Now, when I open an application, xterm, firefox or whatever, if I drag the mouse back and forth into the application once or twice and left click, a cursor appears. That's in fluxbox.
In openbox, the same behavior occurs with an xterm. However, if I open a gtk app, such as firefox or gnome-terminal (again, I can open them by left clicking the as yet invisible mouse) the cursor just appears, usually with that little blue moving circle that one sees when first logging into a Gnome desktop.
Putting a working rawhide install's xorg.conf in there didn't help. Dmesg and Xorg logs show the same thing as a working installation's logs, seeing a synaptics mouse on boot and upon starting xorg, Mac mouse emulation.
Other things I've tried, after googling and seeing various mouse problems--(though none were desktop specific, in those cases, the poster seemed to not have a mouse at all) were removing rhgb quiet from the grub line (apparently helps with some nvidia cards), adding HWCursor off to xorg.conf, installing config-system-display and using it. None of these help.
It's more an amusing inconvenience than disaster, since, A) the cursor does appear after anything is opened, and B) the whole reason I prefer the *box WM's is because they enable to do almost everything without the mouse.
I was able to duplicate this on two test installs, but I've only tried on this one machine, an Acer 4720z, which has frequently given me Just Me(TM) problems.
Using gpm also works without problem, so the system is seeing the mouse, Gnome and KDE see the mouse, it's just that the *box WM's seem to not notice there's a mouse till an application opens.
Has anyone run into something like this? I'm not sure what Gnome and KDE are doing that fluxbox isn't in this case.
Thanks for any input.
I also tried, on the second test install, upgrading the existing F10 releaes to today's rawhide, but there was no change.
-- Scott Robbins
Saw the same problem with the FC10-PR using openbox under LXDE. I worked around the problem by modifying my session startup file to open a terminal window.
On Fri, 28 Nov 2008, Scott Robbins wrote:
A recent fresh install of F10 from DVD seemed normal enough. Gnome and KDE boot normally, everything is fine. However, I prefer fluxbox. I installed it afterwards, but when I type startx, there is no mouse cursor. This is on an Acer Aspire 4720z, which uses the synaptics driver. The older Fedora versions have that entry in xorg.conf on this machine. The later Rawhide test installs don't have an xorg.conf, of course, but it worked fine with them as well.
What video driver are you using?
Adam Pribyl
--- On Sat, 11/29/08, Adam Pribyl pribyl@lowlevel.cz wrote:
From: Adam Pribyl pribyl@lowlevel.cz Subject: Re: No mouse cursor in {flux|open}box until an application is opened To: "For testers of Fedora Core development releases" fedora-test-list@redhat.com Date: Saturday, November 29, 2008, 7:09 AM On Fri, 28 Nov 2008, Scott Robbins wrote:
A recent fresh install of F10 from DVD seemed normal
enough. Gnome and
KDE boot normally, everything is fine. However, I prefer fluxbox. I installed it afterwards,
but when I type
startx, there is no mouse cursor. This is on an Acer
Aspire 4720z,
which uses the synaptics driver. The older Fedora
versions have that
entry in xorg.conf on this machine. The later Rawhide
test installs
don't have an xorg.conf, of course, but it worked
fine with them as
well.
What video driver are you using?
Adam Pribyl
xorg-x11-drv-i810-2.5.0-3.fc11.i386 and xorg.conf tells says "intel"
On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 05:41:07AM -0800, Steven I Usdansky wrote:
--- On Sat, 11/29/08, Adam Pribyl pribyl@lowlevel.cz wrote:
From: Adam Pribyl pribyl@lowlevel.cz Subject: Re: No mouse cursor in {flux|open}box until an application is opened On Fri, 28 Nov 2008, Scott Robbins wrote:
However, I prefer fluxbox. I installed it afterwards,
but when I type
startx, there is no mouse cursor. This is on an Acer
Aspire 4720z,
which uses the synaptics driver. The older Fedora
versions have that
entry in xorg.conf on this machine.
What video driver are you using?
Adam Pribyl
xorg-x11-drv-i810-2.5.0-3.fc11.i386 and xorg.conf tells says "intel"
Yes, the same here.
On Fri, 2008-11-28 at 19:59 -0500, Scott Robbins wrote:
A recent fresh install of F10 from DVD seemed normal enough. Gnome and KDE boot normally, everything is fine. However, I prefer fluxbox. I installed it afterwards, but when I type startx, there is no mouse cursor. This is on an Acer Aspire 4720z, which uses the synaptics driver. The older Fedora versions have that entry in xorg.conf on this machine. The later Rawhide test installs don't have an xorg.conf, of course, but it worked fine with them as well.
Suppressing the initial cursor is more or less expected. We added a patch for that to make the transition from plymouth to gdm prettier, in which the server doesn't show a cursor until an application defines one. However, there was a logic error in the patch which made it actually suppress the cursor until the third or fourth time you defined one. Oops.
I could have sworn I'd fixed that in F10 as well as in upstream, but it appears not. I'll push an F10 update.
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On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 09:41:19AM -0500, Adam Jackson wrote:
On Fri, 2008-11-28 at 19:59 -0500, Scott Robbins wrote:
However, I prefer fluxbox. I installed it afterwards, but when I type startx, there is no mouse cursor. This is on an Acer Aspire 4720z, which uses the synaptics driver. The older Fedora versions have that entry in xorg.conf on this machine. The later Rawhide test installs don't have an xorg.conf, of course, but it worked fine with them as well.
Suppressing the initial cursor is more or less expected. We added a patch for that to make the transition from plymouth to gdm prettier, in which the server doesn't show a cursor until an application defines one. However, there was a logic error in the patch which made it actually suppress the cursor until the third or fourth time you defined one. Oops.
Heh, well, many who know me will tell you that I'm often guilty of logic errors.
I could have sworn I'd fixed that in F10 as well as in upstream, but it appears not. I'll push an F10 update.
It's rather trivial as I've mentioned. I see now that another rawhide install had had the same issue, but I'd never noticed it because usually, after opening fluxbox or openbox, I immediately open either a terminal or browser and have keyboard shortcuts to do it.
Thanks very much for the response and your efforts. Let me know when you've pushed the update and I'll test it.
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