There are a number of things that don't work in FC3rc3. Should I be reporting them to this list or to bugzilla ?
The issues I know of now are:
kwireless needs to be manually restarted to work in a new session Otherwise it shows that you have no connection. (I spent an hour troubleshooting my connection before I realized that the problem was kwireless and not the connection itself !)
sound doesn't work
open office file associations are missing
K3B has an issue with making DVD coasters
there was an anaconda installation error
ark hangs with large compressed tar files
there might still be an issue with glibc.
On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 08:33 -0600, Kim Lux wrote:
There are a number of things that don't work in FC3rc3. Should I be reporting them to this list or to bugzilla ?
Put it into Bugzilla always (well, after checking that it isn't already there of course) so that we don't lose track of it. Remember: "If it's not in Bugzilla, it's not a bug." ;-)
Nils
I don't know if anyone shares this sentiment, but I consider installing from burnt ISO CDROMs to be a slow process.
I'm wondering if it is possible to use askmethod with a USB IDE drive. I noticed that the USB devices were detected during the FC3 install boot up, but that they didn't appear in the disk druid partition list, for example.
As it is right now, users have to download the ISOs, then burn disks, then verify disks, then install from them. This is a slow process if one is using a 4x CDRW disk in a slow CDROM drive.
What I'd like to be able to do is download the ISOs to an external USB drive and then use askmethod to tell anaconda that the ISOs are on the USB drive. This would save the effort of burning the CDROMs and performing a media check on each one. It would also install a lot faster from the USB drive than from the CDROM. I think this, with kickstart, would be a great way to install and/or upgrade a number of non networked computers quickly.
One could also put a bunch of things on the external drive, such as the source RPMs, various rescue tools currently not on the FC boot disk, etc.
I found askmethod nfs to be a bit quirky. If it detects the network card right off and the server has simple access, ie no gateways, etc, then it works pretty well. Throw a stubborn network card into the mix and a gateway or two and I'm less enthusiastic about it.
BTW: I don't think my computer, a laptop, can boot directly from a USB device. The BIOS doesn't give the user that option. I'd still have to do the initial boot from a CDROM.
On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 09:48 -0600, Kim Lux wrote:
I don't know if anyone shares this sentiment, but I consider installing from burnt ISO CDROMs to be a slow process.
I'm wondering if it is possible to use askmethod with a USB IDE drive. I noticed that the USB devices were detected during the FC3 install boot up, but that they didn't appear in the disk druid partition list, for example.
As it is right now, users have to download the ISOs, then burn disks, then verify disks, then install from them. This is a slow process if one is using a 4x CDRW disk in a slow CDROM drive.
What I'd like to be able to do is download the ISOs to an external USB drive and then use askmethod to tell anaconda that the ISOs are on the USB drive. This would save the effort of burning the CDROMs and performing a media check on each one. It would also install a lot faster from the USB drive than from the CDROM. I think this, with kickstart, would be a great way to install and/or upgrade a number of non networked computers quickly.
One could also put a bunch of things on the external drive, such as the source RPMs, various rescue tools currently not on the FC boot disk, etc.
I found askmethod nfs to be a bit quirky. If it detects the network card right off and the server has simple access, ie no gateways, etc, then it works pretty well. Throw a stubborn network card into the mix and a gateway or two and I'm less enthusiastic about it.
BTW: I don't think my computer, a laptop, can boot directly from a USB device. The BIOS doesn't give the user that option. I'd still have to do the initial boot from a CDROM.
I concur!!! This would be wonderful!!!
Kim Lux said:
I don't know if anyone shares this sentiment, but I consider installing from burnt ISO CDROMs to be a slow process.
I'm wondering if it is possible to use askmethod with a USB IDE drive. I noticed that the USB devices were detected during the FC3 install boot up, but that they didn't appear in the disk druid partition list, for example.
Hard drive installs from ISO images are already supported. I would guess the part that is missing is mounting the external drive.
Some bugzilla searching turns up:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=118027 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=117650 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=105720
It looks like using passing "expert" to the installer might get you there.
How are installs from hard drive ISO supported ? I've never heard or seen anything on this. Could the hard drive be a FAT32 drive, in a pinch ?
Where is the "expert" script explained ?
Thanks for the links !
Kim
On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 14:25 -0400, William Hooper wrote:
Hard drive installs from ISO images are already supported. I would guess the part that is missing is mounting the external drive.
Some bugzilla searching turns up:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=118027 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=117650 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=105720
It looks like using passing "expert" to the installer might get you there.
-- William Hooper
Kim Lux said:
How are installs from hard drive ISO supported ? I've never heard or seen anything on this.
They have been supported for a while (Warning, the link will probably wrap).
http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-9-Manual/install-guide/s1-begin...
Could the hard drive be a FAT32 drive, in a pinch ?
It looks that way.
Where is the "expert" script explained ?
Pass "expert" as an option to the installer on the boot prompt.
http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-9-Manual/install-guide/ch-booto...
I wish I'd known this yesterday. I forgot to burn my CDRWs as images and ended up with an ISO file on each CDRW and had to do it again. I was going to try to make them (the ISOs on the cdrws) work, but I didn't want to get half way through an install and find there was a glitch.
I can hardly wait to do my next Linux installation ! I'll be using the USB hard drive method.
On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 14:52 -0400, William Hooper wrote:
Kim Lux said:
How are installs from hard drive ISO supported ? I've never heard or seen anything on this.
They have been supported for a while (Warning, the link will probably wrap).
http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-9-Manual/install-guide/s1-begin...
Could the hard drive be a FAT32 drive, in a pinch ?
It looks that way.
Where is the "expert" script explained ?
Pass "expert" as an option to the installer on the boot prompt.
http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-9-Manual/install-guide/ch-booto...
-- William Hooper
On Fri, Oct 29, 2004 at 09:48:55AM -0600, Kim Lux scripsit:
As it is right now, users have to download the ISOs, then burn disks, then verify disks, then install from them. This is a slow process if one is using a 4x CDRW disk in a slow CDROM drive.
Dump the isos to a partition -- I have one usually called /iso for this purpose -- and burn the rescue cd image. (or try sticking that on a USB key. I have one, work-necessary, key, so I haven't tried this.)
Then use 'linux askmethod' and 'hard drive' for the install.
Saves on CDs something considerable, especially if the rescue image (or, historically, the first CD) is going on a rewritable.
On Oct 29, 2004, Kim Lux lux@diesel-research.com wrote:
I'm wondering if it is possible to use askmethod with a USB IDE drive.
It is. At least when doing kickstart installs, it works for me.
Doing kickstart installs with the "ask every question" option set (dont run through) then should be a good idea...
lør, 30.10.2004 kl. 10.42 skrev Alexandre Oliva:
On Oct 29, 2004, Kim Lux lux@diesel-research.com wrote:
I'm wondering if it is possible to use askmethod with a USB IDE drive.
It is. At least when doing kickstart installs, it works for me.
-- Alexandre Oliva http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat Compiler Engineer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org}
On Oct 30, 2004, Kyrre Ness Sjobak kyrre@solution-forge.net wrote:
Doing kickstart installs with the "ask every question" option set (dont run through) then should be a good idea...
I don't think you actually need to do a kickstart install. I was just saying this was the only situation in which I'd tried it. I very much doubt it wouldn't work for non-kickstart installs.
lør, 30.10.2004 kl. 10.42 skrev Alexandre Oliva:
On Oct 29, 2004, Kim Lux lux@diesel-research.com wrote:
I'm wondering if it is possible to use askmethod with a USB IDE drive.
It is. At least when doing kickstart installs, it works for me.
BTW, you top-posted. This makes you an evil person :-) :-)