Hi all,
Has anyone tried the Fedora Core 1 for Amd64 test1 release for the 64bit AMD processor ?? I have an emachines laptop - 6805 which has the AMD64 ... I want to try to install Fedora on this, but I dont know how good and stable the Fedora AMD64 is ... .If anyone can give me some advise ... If not Fedora, which distro would be the best for the 64 bit AMD ...
Thanks, Amit
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Shah Amit wrote:
Hi all,
Has anyone tried the Fedora Core 1 for Amd64 test1 release for the 64bit AMD processor ?? I have an emachines laptop - 6805 which has the AMD64 ... I want to try to install Fedora on this, but I dont know how good and stable the Fedora AMD64 is ... .If anyone can give me some advise ... If not Fedora, which distro would be the best for the 64 bit AMD ...
You could try Mandrake Linux. They have recently shipped their 9.2 product for amd64 and active development is going on (packages are being built & uploaded continuously). Finding a mirror that carries the amd64 cooker may be difficult, but this one has it: ftp://anorien.csc.warwick.ac.uk/Mandrake-devel/cooker/amd64/
Enjoy.
Stefan
On Wed, Feb 04, 2004 at 04:30:09PM -0500, Shah Amit wrote:
Has anyone tried the Fedora Core 1 for Amd64 test1 release for the 64bit AMD processor ?? I have an emachines laptop - 6805 which has the AMD64 ... I want to try to install Fedora on this, but I dont know how good and stable the Fedora AMD64 is ... .If anyone can give me some advise ... If not Fedora, which distro would be the best for the 64 bit AMD ...
We regret to inform you that... Actually, that laptop is full of new and unseen/tested hardware. That said, you can make it work, a few notes will be listed below:
1. You must use a USB keyboard for install (at least until after media check yes/no screen, keyboard works fine once installed despite kernel warning)
2. You must boot with acpi=off (While this is a VIA chipset, it is not the same as the desktop version, I need to add the ID for the IO_APIC workaround)
3. you will need to download pcmcia-cs and build it yourself until I get the patches in for the fedora version.
4. You will need to download XFree86 4.3.99.x from xfree86.org and rebuild from source (untar, make world, make install)
5. You will have to hand generate the XF86Config file, I will post mine and a brief link to this on the AMD64 FAQ site this week.
The following things will NOT work currently (or I have not gotten them to myself):
1. The onboard wireless is broadcomm, in 32bit land people are using driverloader... There is no 64bit windows driver for this, and I do not know that driverloader has been looked at/thought of 64bit.
2. Power management, yes, this sucks. Fixing number 2 above should help this, but for now, expect about 1 hour battery life. Unfortunately eMachines did not bother to include any power control capabilities in the bios. In fact there is not much at all that is user tweakable in the bios.
3. Card reader. Might actually work, but I have not tried or seen any reports yet.
All things considered, I am happy with the laptop, but it is going to take some time before any distro gives any real "out of the box" Linux experience. Note, these issues are isolted to this particular notebook, and possibly others with the same hardware... this is new stuff, and really the first time it has been seen (laptop was released Jan 19th). Unfortunately I do not think that the current Athlon64 laptop vendors have any interest in Linux testing with their products before release. So when it ships is when most developers see it for the first time.
Hope this helps,
Justin
SuSE 9.0 works much better out of the box, although some of the same problems below still apply. With FC1, I tried about a hundred combinations of various kernels and ACPI patches and only got a few things working. The "development" snapshot of what will end up FC2 won't even boot :(
As for SuSE, most of the hardware works, aside from the wireless, Fn keys and power management (provided you again use acpi=off). By the way, SuSE is the only Linux distro that can be installed w/o using a USB keyboard. It will complain about not finding a keyboard and halt, but there's a install.inf file in /etc that you can Alt-F2 over and edit and change Keyboard:0 to Keyboard:1 and then restart Yast... (SuSE: off topic for this list, sorry. I'll quit now). It's still a bug though.
FWIW, FreeBSD 5.1/5.2/5.2.1 all fail to boot NetBSD 11/10/03 snapshot also fails to boot
I was putting together a page detailing my trials & tribulations with all these OSes, but the thing got so large with workarounds that I decided to redo it.
-ml
Justin M. Forbes wrote:
On Wed, Feb 04, 2004 at 04:30:09PM -0500, Shah Amit wrote:
Has anyone tried the Fedora Core 1 for Amd64 test1 release for the 64bit AMD processor ?? I have an emachines laptop - 6805 which has the AMD64 ... I want to try to install Fedora on this, but I dont know how good and stable the Fedora AMD64 is ... .If anyone can give me some advise ... If not Fedora, which distro would be the best for the 64 bit AMD ...
We regret to inform you that... Actually, that laptop is full of new and unseen/tested hardware. That said, you can make it work, a few notes will be listed below:
- You must use a USB keyboard for install (at least until after media
check yes/no screen, keyboard works fine once installed despite kernel warning)
- You must boot with acpi=off (While this is a VIA chipset, it is not the
same as the desktop version, I need to add the ID for the IO_APIC workaround)
- you will need to download pcmcia-cs and build it yourself until I get
the patches in for the fedora version.
- You will need to download XFree86 4.3.99.x from xfree86.org and rebuild
from source (untar, make world, make install)
- You will have to hand generate the XF86Config file, I will post mine and
a brief link to this on the AMD64 FAQ site this week.
The following things will NOT work currently (or I have not gotten them to myself):
- The onboard wireless is broadcomm, in 32bit land people are using
driverloader... There is no 64bit windows driver for this, and I do not know that driverloader has been looked at/thought of 64bit.
- Power management, yes, this sucks. Fixing number 2 above should help this,
but for now, expect about 1 hour battery life. Unfortunately eMachines did not bother to include any power control capabilities in the bios. In fact there is not much at all that is user tweakable in the bios.
- Card reader. Might actually work, but I have not tried or seen any
reports yet.
All things considered, I am happy with the laptop, but it is going to take some time before any distro gives any real "out of the box" Linux experience. Note, these issues are isolted to this particular notebook, and possibly others with the same hardware... this is new stuff, and really the first time it has been seen (laptop was released Jan 19th). Unfortunately I do not think that the current Athlon64 laptop vendors have any interest in Linux testing with their products before release. So when it ships is when most developers see it for the first time.
Hope this helps,
Justin
On February 04, 2004 02:30 pm, Shah Amit wrote:
Hi all,
Has anyone tried the Fedora Core 1 for Amd64 test1 release for the 64bit AMD processor ??
Yes, it runs fairly well. I was using it but but recently I upgraded to early FC2 from Rawhide. I have been running 2.6.1 kernels for the most part so I am not sure how well the current 2.4 kernel works. I know some driver stuff has been back ported to the 2.4 kernel so it should work.
Athlon64 3200+ 512MB RAM Biostar K8VHA Via Chipset Fedora Core 1.90 2.6.1 Kernel
I have an emachines laptop - 6805 which has the AMD64 ... I want to try to install Fedora on this, but I dont know how good and stable the Fedora AMD64 is ... .If anyone can give me some advise ... If not Fedora, which distro would be the best for the 64 bit AMD ...
You may have to install alsa to get sound working but I am unsure what chipset the M6807 uses.
As for Video, under 64 Bit Linux, you won't be getting 3D support. The open source drivers don't support 3D for the 9600 and ATI has yet to release 64Bit drivers.
regards,
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