I have been using rawhide primarily for more than a year and every time something goes wrong I got to get back to an installer image which is so old that with almost all the component packages to be replaced with the next update. I have tried almost about 15 live images from the nightly composes repository http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/tasks?state=all&view=tree&method=... none of them finished a installation in the last 3-4 months. I know its not tested by the QA but I know there must be some image out the zillions of live images built there must have worked for someone else and If there is some way to add karma to the live images which works I would not have to waste my bandwidth downloading all the non-working images.
All I ask here please give an option to add karma to the nightly composes so that people would know which images will work. If this is not the right place for this discussion please guide me where I should.
thanks,
Piruthiviraj Natarajan
On Tue, 2014-01-28 at 08:05 +0530, piruthiviraj natarajan wrote:
I have been using rawhide primarily for more than a year and every time something goes wrong I got to get back to an installer image which is so old that with almost all the component packages to be replaced with the next update. I have tried almost about 15 live images from the nightly composes repository http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/tasks?state=all&view=tree&method=... and none of them finished a installation in the last 3-4 months. I know its not tested by the QA but I know there must be some image out the zillions of live images built there must have worked for someone else and If there is some way to add karma to the live images which works I would not have to waste my bandwidth downloading all the non-working images.
All I ask here please give an option to add karma to the nightly composes so that people would know which images will work. If this is not the right place for this discussion please guide me where I should.
we've always had the idea that we should be doing automated testing of the nightly composes, and for a short time we even did, using the AutoQA 'rats' tests. These haven't worked for some time, but I believe we're hoping to revive that with Taskotron once it's up and running.
Then maybe we can (finally) populate israwhideworkingyet.com , or whatever it was the original zygote of the AutoQA idea was called :)
I'm not sure manual 'voting' on installer images is a good way to go, since there's such a huge variety of possible experiences with the installer.
I've been using today's nightly to do some test installs, FWIW, and it gets most of the way through but then explodes with a keyboard layout configuration problem. I'll look into that tomorrow.
On Mon, 27 Jan 2014 18:50:34 -0800 Adam Williamson awilliam@redhat.com wrote:
we've always had the idea that we should be doing automated testing of the nightly composes, and for a short time we even did, using the AutoQA 'rats' tests. These haven't worked for some time, but I believe we're hoping to revive that with Taskotron once it's up and running.
Then maybe we can (finally) populate israwhideworkingyet.com , or whatever it was the original zygote of the AutoQA idea was called :)
I'm not sure manual 'voting' on installer images is a good way to go, since there's such a huge variety of possible experiences with the installer.
I've been using today's nightly to do some test installs, FWIW, and it gets most of the way through but then explodes with a keyboard layout configuration problem. I'll look into that tomorrow.
In addition to what Adam said... if they don't work for you, please please report a bug on it? If they aren't working for months on end for you it's unlikely to just randomly be fixed, you need to let someone know to fix it. ;)
kevin
On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 8:28 AM, Kevin Fenzi kevin@scrye.com wrote:
On Mon, 27 Jan 2014 18:50:34 -0800 Adam Williamson awilliam@redhat.com wrote:
we've always had the idea that we should be doing automated testing of the nightly composes, and for a short time we even did, using the AutoQA 'rats' tests. These haven't worked for some time, but I believe we're hoping to revive that with Taskotron once it's up and running.
Then maybe we can (finally) populate israwhideworkingyet.com , or whatever it was the original zygote of the AutoQA idea was called :)
I'm not sure manual 'voting' on installer images is a good way to go, since there's such a huge variety of possible experiences with the installer.
I've been using today's nightly to do some test installs, FWIW, and it gets most of the way through but then explodes with a keyboard layout configuration problem. I'll look into that tomorrow.
In addition to what Adam said... if they don't work for you, please please report a bug on it? If they aren't working for months on end for you it's unlikely to just randomly be fixed, you need to let someone know to fix it. ;)
Thanks for the answers. I shall certainly file a bug report for the non-working images.
@Adam
I'm not sure manual 'voting' on installer images is a good way to go, since there's such a huge variety of possible experiences with the installer.
I understand your concern, but something(voting) is better than nothing right? but if there is better solution as you have mentioned is coming right up in a short while that is very much welcome.
Debian releases CD images every week for their testing repository and they rarely fail to finish an installation on multiple systems I have tested. I think Fedora rawhide images has to be sturdy as well which will allow more people to test rawhide. Not trying to insinuate any disrespect for the hardworking fedora devs, but just stating the info.
On Tue, 2014-01-28 at 08:53 +0530, piruthiviraj natarajan wrote:
Debian releases CD images every week for their testing repository and they rarely fail to finish an installation on multiple systems I have tested. I think Fedora rawhide images has to be sturdy as well which will allow more people to test rawhide. Not trying to insinuate any disrespect for the hardworking fedora devs, but just stating the info.
Rawhide is more like a cross between sid and experimental than it is like testing :)
On Mon, 2014-01-27 at 19:58 -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
On Mon, 27 Jan 2014 18:50:34 -0800 Adam Williamson awilliam@redhat.com wrote:
we've always had the idea that we should be doing automated testing of the nightly composes, and for a short time we even did, using the AutoQA 'rats' tests. These haven't worked for some time, but I believe we're hoping to revive that with Taskotron once it's up and running.
Then maybe we can (finally) populate israwhideworkingyet.com , or whatever it was the original zygote of the AutoQA idea was called :)
I'm not sure manual 'voting' on installer images is a good way to go, since there's such a huge variety of possible experiences with the installer.
I've been using today's nightly to do some test installs, FWIW, and it gets most of the way through but then explodes with a keyboard layout configuration problem. I'll look into that tomorrow.
In addition to what Adam said... if they don't work for you, please please report a bug on it? If they aren't working for months on end for you it's unlikely to just randomly be fixed, you need to let someone know to fix it. ;)
There is a lot of active development and churn going on in Rawhide right now, so I wouldn't be surprised if it is broken quite often, with different bugs in each case. But if you're hitting the same bug repeatedly over a long time, yup, file it.
Also, I guess it can't hurt to send an impromptu note to test@ if you do a successful install from a nightly, and say 'hey, I did an install with nightly 2014-xx-xx and it worked!', or whatever - that could be a handy pointer for others.
On 01/27/2014 06:35 PM, piruthiviraj natarajan wrote:
I have been using rawhide primarily for more than a year and every time something goes wrong I got to get back to an installer image which is so old that with almost all the component packages to be replaced with the next update. I have tried almost about 15 live images from the nightly composes repository http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/tasks?state=all&view=tree&method=... and none of them finished a installation in the last 3-4 months. I know its not tested by the QA but I know there must be some image out the zillions of live images built there must have worked for someone else and If there is some way to add karma to the live images which works I would not have to waste my bandwidth downloading all the non-working images.
All I ask here please give an option to add karma to the nightly composes so that people would know which images will work. If this is not the right place for this discussion please guide me where I should.
thanks,
Piruthiviraj Natarajan
I've had good luck lately installing Rawhide from a local rsync copy of /usr/bin/rsync -vaH --numeric-ids --delete --delete-after --delay-updates --progress --stats mirrors1.kernel.org::fedora/development/rawhide/x86_64/os /z/rawhide
This requires about 50 gb of space to hold the files on one's server. The rest is done with dnsmasq and pxeboot. The trick is to use the pxeboot files from Heisenbug.
The result: I can install rawhide with some 3000+ packages at local network speeds
On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 08:05:45 +0530, piruthiviraj natarajan piruthiviraj@gmail.com wrote:
I have been using rawhide primarily for more than a year and every time something goes wrong I got to get back to an installer image which is so old that with almost all the component packages to be replaced with the next update. I have tried almost about 15 live images from the nightly composes repository
While your complaint about the images is valid, it might be that you can work around the problems by not doing a reinstall to fix issues. Using a live image as a rescue system might allow you to fix things.
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