Gentleman!!! when replying to a email LEAVE the contents of the orignal poster intact so the next person that reads the email can read what the poster had to say.
PLEASE !!!!
On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 11:10:17 -0400, Mickey binarynut@comcast.net wrote:
Gentleman!!! when replying to a email LEAVE the contents of the orignal poster intact so the next person that reads the email can read what the poster had to say.
That is not the process for these lists. You are only supposed to keep enough of the message you are replying to, to provide context for the reply. This is normal for techincal mailing lists.
On 04/25/2014 03:52 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 11:10:17 -0400, Mickey binarynut@comcast.net wrote:
Gentleman!!! when replying to a email LEAVE the contents of the orignal poster intact so the next person that reads the email can read what the poster had to say.
That is not the process for these lists. You are only supposed to keep enough of the message you are replying to, to provide context for the reply. This is normal for techincal mailing lists.
To be more specific to Bruno's reply, the keep it short section in our projects mailing list guidelines [1].
JBG
1. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines#Keep_it_Short
On Fri, 25 Apr 2014 11:10:17 -0400 Mickey binarynut@comcast.net wrote:
Gentleman!!! when replying to a email LEAVE the contents of the orignal poster intact so the next person that reads the email can read what the poster had to say.
PLEASE !!!!
You can do that by reading the original email. The list is archived.
___ Regards Frank frankly3d.com
On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 11:10:17AM -0400, Mickey wrote:
Gentleman!!! when replying to a email LEAVE the contents of the orignal poster intact ....
Yeah! In addition top-post your comments thus producing with an exponential rate in a few replies a big pile of unreadable junk. On the top of it gum it up with a gratuitous html and be happy!!
Are you serious or you aimed to illustrate the vilest email habits of all?
M.
I suggest you read and take note of the Guidelines document at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
poc
On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Mickey binarynut@comcast.net wrote:
Gentleman!!! when replying to a email LEAVE the contents of the orignal poster intact so the next person that reads the email can read what the poster had to say.
PLEASE !!!!
-- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Mickey binarynut@comcast.net wrote:
Gentleman!!! when replying to a email LEAVE the contents of the orignal poster intact so the next person that reads the email can read what the poster had to say.
On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 08:39:00PM +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
I suggest you read and take note of the Guidelines document at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
This is another link I frequently give people who are unfamiliar with typical tech list posting style.
howto-pages.org/posting_style/
It is worth mentioning though, that one should try to not be overly aggressive when trimming, because, as the OP did state, sometimes, important information can be missed.
It's usually a judgement call, and over trimming can be as bad as not trimming enough, but...
On Fri, 25 Apr 2014, Scott Robbins wrote:
On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Mickey binarynut@comcast.net wrote:
Gentleman!!! when replying to a email LEAVE the contents of the orignal poster intact so the next person that reads the email can read what the poster had to say.
On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 08:39:00PM +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
I suggest you read and take note of the Guidelines document at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
This is another link I frequently give people who are unfamiliar with typical tech list posting style.
howto-pages.org/posting_style/
It is worth mentioning though, that one should try to not be overly aggressive when trimming, because, as the OP did state, sometimes, important information can be missed.
It's usually a judgement call, and over trimming can be as bad as not trimming enough, but...
i've been through these arguments for years, and i've reduced my argument to something like this:
potentially thousands of people are going to read your post -- for the love of mutt, take that extra minute or two to make sure you're clear and concise, and don't make your readers work to figure out what you're trying to say.
and don't be a dick. that, too.
rday
On 04/25/2014 03:39 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
I suggest you read and take note of the Guidelines document at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
poc
On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Mickey binarynut@comcast.net wrote:
Gentleman!!! when replying to a email LEAVE the contents of the orignal poster intact so the next person that reads the email can read what the poster had to say.
PLEASE !!!!
-- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
I suggest you also read those guidlines about TOP Posting.
On Fri, 2014-04-25 at 16:59 -0400, Mickey wrote:
On 04/25/2014 03:39 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
I suggest you read and take note of the Guidelines document at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
poc
On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Mickey binarynut@comcast.net wrote:
Gentleman!!! when replying to a email LEAVE the contents of the orignal poster intact so the next person that reads the email can read what the poster had to say.
PLEASE !!!!
-- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
I suggest you also read those guidlines about TOP Posting.
My apologies. As one who rails against top-posting I'm embarrassed to be caught doing it. IIRC I used a non-Evo mailer to reply and was in a rush. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
poc
On 28/04/14 08:59, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Fri, 2014-04-25 at 16:59 -0400, Mickey wrote:
[...]
I suggest you also read those guidlines about TOP Posting.
My apologies. As one who rails against top-posting I'm embarrassed to be caught doing it. IIRC I used a non-Evo mailer to reply and was in a rush. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
poc
No worries mate, we will just add you to the long list of people to be put against the wall, come the Revolution! :-)
Cheers, Gavin
(P.S. I'm fairly certain, that I'm also on the same list...)
On Fri, 2014-04-25 at 11:10 -0400, Mickey wrote:
Gentleman!!! when replying to a email LEAVE the contents of the orignal poster intact so the next person that reads the email can read what the poster had to say.
PLEASE !!!!
In addition to what other people have said, there are people of more than one gender reading this list...please be respectful.
Dne pátek, 25. dubna 2014 23:37:43 CEST, Adam Williamson napsal(a):
In addition to what other people have said, there are people of more than one gender reading this list...please be respectful.
true hermaphrodites?
reading Wikipedia, this condition is very rare ... if we can assume even distribution and you talk about "people" - plural - then I'm amazed how many subscribers this list has, congrats to Fedora for such many contributors! :-)
K.
(ok, is that just my poor English allowing me to see the unintended meaning, or is that sentence ambiguous also for native speakers?)
On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 05:04:09PM +0200, Karel Volný wrote:
Dne pátek, 25. dubna 2014 23:37:43 CEST, Adam Williamson napsal(a):
In addition to what other people have said, there are people of more than one gender reading this list...please be respectful.
true hermaphrodites?
K.
(ok, is that just my poor English allowing me to see the unintended meaning, or is that sentence ambiguous also for native speakers?)
As a native speaker, yes, I can see it being ambiguous. Though, to be honest, I didn't catch it until you pointed it out. However, it is often non-native speakers who catch things like this. This can be embarrassing when married to a non-native speaker.
On 28/04/14 03:53, Scott Robbins wrote:
On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 05:04:09PM +0200, Karel Volný wrote:
Dne pátek, 25. dubna 2014 23:37:43 CEST, Adam Williamson napsal(a):
In addition to what other people have said, there are people of more than one gender reading this list...please be respectful.
true hermaphrodites?
K.
(ok, is that just my poor English allowing me to see the unintended meaning, or is that sentence ambiguous also for native speakers?)
As a native speaker, yes, I can see it being ambiguous. Though, to be honest, I didn't catch it until you pointed it out. However, it is often non-native speakers who catch things like this. This can be embarrassing when married to a non-native speaker.
Actually there are people with multiple distinct personalities, and some people have personalities with different genders. This can be caused by extreme psychological abuse.
Also about 0.5% (percentage varies according to definitions used) of children are born with genitalia that are not clearly identifiable as being definitely exactly one of the two standard sexes (male & female). Some of characteristics of both.
There are also people who are born definitely male physically, they get married have children, then feel that they are really female and have an operation to change their physical genitalia.
Gender is far more complicated than most people realize, and there are more variations and combinations than I have outlined above!
Cheers, Gavin
People are generally born with more ears than teeth, Mister Freud.
poma
On 28/04/14 13:50, poma wrote:
People are generally born with more ears than teeth, Mister Freud.
poma
What I said is based on observations and scientific research.
I spent 3 years talking with a group of people, which included people with multiple personalities. There is actually a continuum between them and 'normal' people. For example when you drive, you are processing multiple inputs in parallel and making decisions without thinking consciously.
I came across a news article about an island were about 10% of children were born apparently female, and became definitely male at puberty. It was so common that people simple changed their children's clothing appropriately, and treated them as males. So I did some research.
A vet in a city where I lived, was in the news for formally changing his gender and having operations to make his body consistent, with the full support of his wife. I come across at least 2 similar items along the same lines. Research has found the wiring of the 'true' female mind is quite different to that of a 'true' man's, the women use more areas of both sides of the rain to solve a technical problem, whereas as men tend to use one part of one side. During pregnancy changing levels of hormones can cause brain development not to match the physical gender.
The trouble is that political agendas influence how people see reality. My wife is definitely feminine and we have a son, but she is one of the rare women with a Masters in computer science. I got wiped of the chess board by a toothless old woman at least 20 years my senior, and I am fairly strong social player who used to play in 'A' grade interclub chess teams. So the differences in the way brains work between men & women should not be used to try and 'prove' that women should not do certain jobs because they should be reserved for men, or vice versa – nor should 'political correctness' be allowed to claim there are not fundamental differences between the sexes that go beyond the physical differences!
As for Freud, due to the nature of society of his day, he was forced to couch his conclusions about what he observed in terms that were 'political correct' for his time. Plus our basic understanding of how the brain worked was extremely primitive then compared to what we know now. So even if he had been able to freely express himself, without having to conform, he would still have been way of the mark in some areas.
So simply because what I wrote conflicts with your notion of reality does not mean I'm wrong. Note that reality tends to be more nuanced & complicated than we can easily deal with, and society as a whole takes even longer to adapt. For example, only recently did Germany allow a third option for the sex of a baby, and most databases still implicitly assume that people are either definitely male or definitely female.
Cheers, Gavin
On 28.04.2014 05:14, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 04/28/14 11:08, Gavin Flower wrote:
What I said is based on
Nothing to do with Fedora testing.....which is what I believe poma is pointing out....
That's right! Thanks for the excellent interpretation, Ed. :)
poma
On Mon, 2014-04-28 at 11:11 +1200, Gavin Flower wrote:
On 28/04/14 03:53, Scott Robbins wrote:
On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 05:04:09PM +0200, Karel Volný wrote:
Dne pátek, 25. dubna 2014 23:37:43 CEST, Adam Williamson napsal(a):
In addition to what other people have said, there are people of more than one gender reading this list...please be respectful.
true hermaphrodites?
K.
(ok, is that just my poor English allowing me to see the unintended meaning, or is that sentence ambiguous also for native speakers?)
As a native speaker, yes, I can see it being ambiguous. Though, to be honest, I didn't catch it until you pointed it out. However, it is often non-native speakers who catch things like this. This can be embarrassing when married to a non-native speaker.
Actually there are people with multiple distinct personalities, and some people have personalities with different genders. This can be caused by extreme psychological abuse.
Also about 0.5% (percentage varies according to definitions used) of children are born with genitalia that are not clearly identifiable as being definitely exactly one of the two standard sexes (male & female). Some of characteristics of both.
There are also people who are born definitely male physically, they get married have children, then feel that they are really female and have an operation to change their physical genitalia.
Gender is far more complicated than most people realize, and there are more variations and combinations than I have outlined above!
Sure, but...we're now way, way, way, way off topic. I acknowledge my initial wording was technically ambiguous, but I'd hope the meaning was clear (as Leon correctly explained, I was suggesting it's not a good idea to start a post with simply "Gentlemen"). I don't think an advanced gender studies class is furthering the cause of Fedora in this particular instance. :)
On 28/04/14 19:13, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Mon, 2014-04-28 at 11:11 +1200, Gavin Flower wrote:
On 28/04/14 03:53, Scott Robbins wrote:
On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 05:04:09PM +0200, Karel Volný wrote:
Dne pátek, 25. dubna 2014 23:37:43 CEST, Adam Williamson napsal(a):
In addition to what other people have said, there are people of more than one gender reading this list...please be respectful.
true hermaphrodites?
K.
(ok, is that just my poor English allowing me to see the unintended meaning, or is that sentence ambiguous also for native speakers?)
As a native speaker, yes, I can see it being ambiguous. Though, to be honest, I didn't catch it until you pointed it out. However, it is often non-native speakers who catch things like this. This can be embarrassing when married to a non-native speaker.
Actually there are people with multiple distinct personalities, and some people have personalities with different genders. This can be caused by extreme psychological abuse.
Also about 0.5% (percentage varies according to definitions used) of children are born with genitalia that are not clearly identifiable as being definitely exactly one of the two standard sexes (male & female). Some of characteristics of both.
There are also people who are born definitely male physically, they get married have children, then feel that they are really female and have an operation to change their physical genitalia.
Gender is far more complicated than most people realize, and there are more variations and combinations than I have outlined above!
Sure, but...we're now way, way, way, way off topic. I acknowledge my initial wording was technically ambiguous, but I'd hope the meaning was clear (as Leon correctly explained, I was suggesting it's not a good idea to start a post with simply "Gentlemen"). I don't think an advanced gender studies class is furthering the cause of Fedora in this particular instance. :)
Fair enough!
On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 17:04:09 +0200, Karel Volný kvolny@redhat.com wrote:
Dne pátek, 25. dubna 2014 23:37:43 CEST, Adam Williamson napsal(a):
In addition to what other people have said, there are people of more than one gender reading this list...please be respectful.
(ok, is that just my poor English allowing me to see the unintended meaning, or is that sentence ambiguous also for native speakers?)
People is being used as a collective set here. A set of people can have more than one gender in it. If the person had really meant some individuals had mutliple genders, then they would probably had said "persons" instead of "people". Persons implies that each person is to be treated individually, but that there are multiple individuals.
In practice it is still ambiguous.
On 27.04.2014 17:04:09, Karel Volný wrote:
Dne pátek, 25. dubna 2014 23:37:43 CEST, Adam Williamson napsal(a):
In addition to what other people have said, there are people of more than one gender reading this list...please be respectful.
(ok, is that just my poor English allowing me to see the unintended meaning, or is that sentence ambiguous also for native speakers?)
I believe Adam was referring to the OP using “Gentlemen” as salutation.
-- Leon.
...
I believe Adam was referring to the OP using “Gentlemen” as salutation.
well, it was "Gentleman!!!" actually ... so probably to one particular male person missent to list? :-)
sorry for this little offtopic, I just couldn't have resisted having read recent flames about outreach programs, and some *language* barrier
last two things:
- thanks Scott for the information
- thanks Gavin for adding something that I forgot about ... but I doubt that testing Fedora is a good therapy for mentally ill (who suffered heavy abuse); and as for the rest, changing the (percepted) gender seems quite common to me but I'm not aware of anyone who'd be identifying with more groups at once (some people prefer stay out of F/M division) ... so I apologize for considering just the biological condition and not the psychological; anyways my point was the language twist, I still think we shouldn't poke noses into people's underwear (or heads)
K.
On Mon, 2014-04-28 at 10:42 +0200, Karel Volný wrote:
I believe Adam was referring to the OP using “Gentlemen” as
salutation.
well, it was "Gentleman!!!" actually ... so probably to one particular male person missent to list? :-)
Yet another oddity about English is that while "Gentlemen, ..." is correct usage in some contexts (as is "Ladies, ..."), the singular "Gentleman, ..." is not. The proper form is "Sir, ..." (respectively, "Madam, ...").
And now back to our regularly scheduled programming ...
poc
On 28/04/14 20:42, Karel Volný wrote: [...]
- thanks Gavin for adding something that I forgot about ... but I
doubt that testing Fedora is a good therapy for mentally ill (who suffered heavy abuse); and as for the rest, changing the (percepted) gender seems quite common to me but I'm not aware of anyone who'd be identifying with more groups at once (some people prefer stay out of F/M division) ... so I apologize for considering just the biological condition and not the psychological; anyways my point was the language twist, I still think we shouldn't poke noses into people's underwear (or heads)
K.
I was seeking distraction, from some tedious debugging, and got carried away - rather than from any strong ideological motivation!
Cheers, Gavin