Hello,
A suggestion for FC4 would be the automatic detection and installation of printers on the local machine, as is the case with some other distributions of Linux, with the option to choose CUPS or not.
On 12/16/2004 03:47:59 PM, Jeffrey D. Yuille wrote:
Hello,
A suggestion for FC4 would be the automatic detection andinstallation of printers on the local machine, as is the case with some other distributions of Linux, with the option to choose CUPS or not.
Fedora does this already - at least it does for me, with usb printers. Except for the part of choosing cups or not. You can however post install remove a printer from the cups configuration if you don't want to use cups.
On Friday 17 December 2004 01:13 am, Michael A. Peters wrote:
On 12/16/2004 03:47:59 PM, Jeffrey D. Yuille wrote:
Hello,
A suggestion for FC4 would be the automatic detection andinstallation of printers on the local machine, as is the case with some other distributions of Linux, with the option to choose CUPS or not.
Fedora does this already - at least it does for me, with usb printers. Except for the part of choosing cups or not. You can however post install remove a printer from the cups configuration if you don't want to use cups.
Hello Michael,
Perhaps I am missing something during the initial installation. I guess the problem that I am having is when I am trying to get other machines on the network to print from the machine where the printer is installed. I have already gone through the steps of sharing a printer, etc. I have a small network with a mixed environment of wireless and ethernet machines. They can see the printer but cannot print to it. Perhaps the firewalls that are set up by default are preventing the machines on the network from printing, I don't know. Any help would be greatly appreciated. By the way, I have an Epson Stylus C80 printer attached to a Dell Dimension XPS t600 Desktop. I also use CUPS.
Jeff
On Friday 17 December 2004 13:14, Jeffrey D. Yuille wrote:
Perhaps I am missing something during the initial installation. Iguess the problem that I am having is when I am trying to get other machines on the network to print from the machine where the printer is installed.
You are not alone. CUPS is almost wilfully difficult to configure. First of all you have to give some crazy URL to get at the documentation; and when you get there it is almost completely incomprehensible.
The idea that it might assist if one gave a concrete example instead of describing the philosophy behind the system is evidently outside th ken of the CUPS team.
An automatic configuration would be marvellous. But in the meantime a page of examples would be a godsend.
On Fri, 2004-12-17 at 13:48 +0000, Timothy Murphy wrote:
CUPS is almost wilfully difficult to configure.
Perhaps you could provide some detail on your troubles? Maybe we can help.
My experience was that printing on Linux befuddled me *until* CUPS, which has made everything work well. In the case of Fedora Core 3, I simply hit the Fedora -> System Settings -> Printing menu, then add a printer. I've been successful in configuring printers connected via the parallel port, printers shared by a Windows box, and even printers on an old Linksys print server (which magically turned out to support LPR). I have also managed to share the printers on my Linux system with others... and every single one of those was point-and-click simple.
I'm not saying you're crazy or I'm expert... I'm just pointing out that there are different experiences out there. What problems are you having specifically?
Cheers,
fre, 17.12.2004 kl. 21.06 skrev Rodolfo J. Paiz:
On Fri, 2004-12-17 at 13:48 +0000, Timothy Murphy wrote:
CUPS is almost wilfully difficult to configure.
Perhaps you could provide some detail on your troubles? Maybe we can help.
My experience was that printing on Linux befuddled me *until* CUPS, which has made everything work well. In the case of Fedora Core 3, I simply hit the Fedora -> System Settings -> Printing menu, then add a printer. I've been successful in configuring printers connected via the parallel port, printers shared by a Windows box, and even printers on an old Linksys print server (which magically turned out to support LPR). I have also managed to share the printers on my Linux system with others... and every single one of those was point-and-click simple.
I'm not saying you're crazy or I'm expert... I'm just pointing out that there are different experiences out there. What problems are you having specifically?
Shure it's not DNS? If cups can't lookup the hostname the server broadcasts, it *WILL* fail. garanteed.
Often you can get clues by going to "localhost:631" in a webbrowser on a misbehaved client, an try to print a test page.
Kyrre
On Friday 17 December 2004 05:47 pm, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote:
fre, 17.12.2004 kl. 21.06 skrev Rodolfo J. Paiz:
On Fri, 2004-12-17 at 13:48 +0000, Timothy Murphy wrote:
CUPS is almost wilfully difficult to configure.
Perhaps you could provide some detail on your troubles? Maybe we can help.
My experience was that printing on Linux befuddled me *until* CUPS, which has made everything work well. In the case of Fedora Core 3, I simply hit the Fedora -> System Settings -> Printing menu, then add a printer. I've been successful in configuring printers connected via the parallel port, printers shared by a Windows box, and even printers on an old Linksys print server (which magically turned out to support LPR). I have also managed to share the printers on my Linux system with others... and every single one of those was point-and-click simple.
I'm not saying you're crazy or I'm expert... I'm just pointing out that there are different experiences out there. What problems are you having specifically?
Shure it's not DNS? If cups can't lookup the hostname the server broadcasts, it *WILL* fail. garanteed.
Often you can get clues by going to "localhost:631" in a webbrowser on a misbehaved client, an try to print a test page.
Kyrre
Hello Kyrre,
I was the one that originally posted this message. I went to my web browser and typed in "Localhost:631", and saw that print jobs were still in the queue and the errors were "Unable to look up host "XXXXX- unknown host". As I previously mentioned, I have a local LAN and can connect to the internet from all of the hosts but am having difficulty in seeing the other nodes on the network when it comes to printing - that is, when I try to print remotely. When I go the the printing manager, it shows that it can see the printer on the remote computer. I can sucessfully ping all of the hosts on the LAN, however. All five machines have Fedora Core 3 installed on them. How can I correct this problem? I have a wireless router with four ethernet ports and the printer is an Epson Stylus C80 on one of the desktops. How do I get the computers to "find" the host on which the printer resides? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Jeff
On Fri, 2004-12-17 at 20:50 -0500, Jeffrey D. Yuille wrote:
On Friday 17 December 2004 05:47 pm, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote:
fre, 17.12.2004 kl. 21.06 skrev Rodolfo J. Paiz:
On Fri, 2004-12-17 at 13:48 +0000, Timothy Murphy wrote:
CUPS is almost wilfully difficult to configure.
Thats putting it mildly.
...
I was the one that originally posted this message. I went to my webbrowser and typed in "Localhost:631", and saw that print jobs were still in the queue and the errors were "Unable to look up host "XXXXX- unknown host". As I previously mentioned, I have a local LAN and can connect to the internet from all of the hosts but am having difficulty in seeing the other nodes on the network when it comes to printing - that is, when I try to print remotely. When I go the the printing manager, it shows that it can see the printer on the remote computer. I can sucessfully ping all of the hosts on the LAN, however. All five machines have Fedora Core 3 installed on them. How can I correct this problem? I have a wireless router with four ethernet ports and the printer is an Epson Stylus C80 on one of the desktops. How do I get the computers to "find" the host on which the printer resides? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
I have a similar setup on a 192.168.1.x network behind a cable modem and router. Using static IP addresses, rather than allowing the router to assign them via DHCP, and making entries for all the machines in /etc/hosts works for me.
Phil
man, 20.12.2004 kl. 05.07 skrev Phil Schaffner:
On Fri, 2004-12-17 at 20:50 -0500, Jeffrey D. Yuille wrote:
On Friday 17 December 2004 05:47 pm, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote:
fre, 17.12.2004 kl. 21.06 skrev Rodolfo J. Paiz:
On Fri, 2004-12-17 at 13:48 +0000, Timothy Murphy wrote:
CUPS is almost wilfully difficult to configure.
Thats putting it mildly.
...
I was the one that originally posted this message. I went to my webbrowser and typed in "Localhost:631", and saw that print jobs were still in the queue and the errors were "Unable to look up host "XXXXX- unknown host". As I previously mentioned, I have a local LAN and can connect to the internet from all of the hosts but am having difficulty in seeing the other nodes on the network when it comes to printing - that is, when I try to print remotely. When I go the the printing manager, it shows that it can see the printer on the remote computer. I can sucessfully ping all of the hosts on the LAN, however. All five machines have Fedora Core 3 installed on them. How can I correct this problem? I have a wireless router with four ethernet ports and the printer is an Epson Stylus C80 on one of the desktops. How do I get the computers to "find" the host on which the printer resides? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
I have a similar setup on a 192.168.1.x network behind a cable modem and router. Using static IP addresses, rather than allowing the router to assign them via DHCP, and making entries for all the machines in /etc/hosts works for me.
Yup. Personaly i use DNSMASQ...
And i personally mean that cups should *save* the broadcasted IP and use that. And then maybe use the dns-name as a "hide" for the user...
Jeffrey D. Yuille wrote:
On Friday 17 December 2004 01:13 am, Michael A. Peters wrote:
On 12/16/2004 03:47:59 PM, Jeffrey D. Yuille wrote:
Hello,
A suggestion for FC4 would be the automatic detection andinstallation of printers on the local machine, as is the case with some other distributions of Linux, with the option to choose CUPS or not.
Fedora does this already - at least it does for me, with usb printers. Except for the part of choosing cups or not. You can however post install remove a printer from the cups configuration if you don't want to use cups.
Hello Michael,
Perhaps I am missing something during the initial installation. I guessthe problem that I am having is when I am trying to get other machines on the network to print from the machine where the printer is installed. I have already gone through the steps of sharing a printer, etc. I have a small network with a mixed environment of wireless and ethernet machines. They can see the printer but cannot print to it. Perhaps the firewalls that are set up by default are preventing the machines on the network from printing, I don't know. Any help would be greatly appreciated. By the way, I have an Epson Stylus C80 printer attached to a Dell Dimension XPS t600 Desktop. I also use CUPS.
Jeff
Whenever I suspect firewall issues I temporarily disable my firewall settings. (I am on an internal network, and feel safe in doing this for a quick test). I my case, I found that I *did* have firewall issues preventing me from accessing a printer from a remote machine. After that, I opened the required port and remote machines were able to print.
Terry
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