Folks,
I was a but busy and I am currently in a FC5 T3 setup, so my question is, do I just stay in this environment, and simply 'yum update' to get into the FC6 level or do I have to burn any iso's and reinstall everything or what?
Thanks! Dan
On Fri, 2006-03-24 at 15:30 -0800, Dan Thurman wrote:
Folks,
I was a but busy and I am currently in a FC5 T3 setup, so my question is, do I just stay in this environment, and simply 'yum update' to get into the FC6 level or do I have to burn any iso's and reinstall everything or what?
It's generally a good idea to do a reinstallation. If you simply run yum update, you end up with pre-FC6 rawhide which is now boiling hot. That you only want to do if you would prefer to continue testing.
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Testing
Otherwise, you might get the fedora-release package from one of the FC5 mirrors, make sure you have the development repositories disabled and then run yum update.
Rahul
On Sat, 2006-03-25 at 05:04 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
On Fri, 2006-03-24 at 15:30 -0800, Dan Thurman wrote:
Folks,
I was a but busy and I am currently in a FC5 T3 setup, so my question is, do I just stay in this environment, and simply 'yum update' to get into the FC6 level or do I have to burn any iso's and reinstall everything or what?
It's generally a good idea to do a reinstallation. If you simply run yum update, you end up with pre-FC6 rawhide which is now boiling hot. That you only want to do if you would prefer to continue testing.
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Testing
Otherwise, you might get the fedora-release package from one of the FC5 mirrors, make sure you have the development repositories disabled and then run yum update.
Rahul
Hmmm... ok. Well, I ran 'yum update' just for fun but not intending to accept the update but I was never given that chance. It appears that it is looking for dependencies so it bombed.
Here is at the end of the message of 'yum update':
--> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. ---> Package kernel-devel.i686 0:2.6.15-1.2054_FC5 set to be erased --> Running transaction check --> Processing Dependency: libgsf-1.so.113 for package: abiword --> Processing Dependency: libgsf-1.so.113 for package: wv2 --> Finished Dependency Resolution Error: Missing Dependency: libgsf-1.so.113 is needed by package abiword Error: Missing Dependency: libgsf-1.so.113 is needed by package wv2
Also, There is another response from poster that replied I can just 'yum update' if I wanted to continue testing but now I cannot decide which pathway I want to take....
If I do not want to continue to test and go to FC5 from FC5-T3, what exactly would I end up with? Would I (eventually) get a full production release as if I installed it from scratch sans the stuff I installed outside of the FC5-T3 release?
If I want to continue testing, do you suggest that I just go ahead and do a 'yum update' but with exclusions of dependencies until eventually I get these dependencies installed later, somehow?
Please advise, Dan
Dan Thurman wrote:
On Sat, 2006-03-25 at 05:04 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
On Fri, 2006-03-24 at 15:30 -0800, Dan Thurman wrote:
Folks,
I was a but busy and I am currently in a FC5 T3 setup, so my question is, do I just stay in this environment, and simply 'yum update' to get into the FC6 level or do I have to burn any iso's and reinstall everything or what?
It's generally a good idea to do a reinstallation. If you simply run yum update, you end up with pre-FC6 rawhide which is now boiling hot. That you only want to do if you would prefer to continue testing.
There are days in testing where an update requires 500M of downloads, and then something needs a new release and it happens again the next day. You might rather your PC was a useful tool rather than forever downloading new packages.
My advice: download FC5 and install. If you have separate partitions for / and /home, note down the partition information (to use during install) and ensure all the things you want to keep are under /home .
Then reboot in single user mode, and mv /home/your-user-name to /home/name-old or similar.
Reboot with CD/dvd for install, and ensure you choose custom partitioning. You then need to tell the installer which partition to use as which: /boot +format / +format /home don't format. Then you'll have a complete FC5 install, but haven't lost any info that was still on your disk under /home. However, the user account is created new so that any weird stuff from the old install is avoided.
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Testing
Otherwise, you might get the fedora-release package from one of the FC5 mirrors, make sure you have the development repositories disabled and then run yum update.
Rahul
Hmmm... ok. Well, I ran 'yum update' just for fun but not intending to accept the update but I was never given that chance. It appears that it is looking for dependencies so it bombed.
yum update indeed checks for updates -> dependencies, and only if all dependencies can be resolved, then it asks do you want to go ahead. It only finds out this stuff by downloading the repo information, then the rpm headers it needs, in an iterative process until a dependency can not be found, or it has all the bits to do a successful rpm transaction.
In this way yum / rpm protect you from what would be a bad situation ! ...
Also, There is another response from poster that replied I can just 'yum update' if I wanted to continue testing but now I cannot decide which pathway I want to take....
Take the FC5 path if you want a machine that is reliable and doesn't take a lot of your time; see Rahul's response and look at the paragraphs in the section: Initial Expectations
If I do not want to continue to test and go to FC5 from FC5-T3, what exactly would I end up with?
Depends on whether you ever saw problems during the test releases
Would I (eventually) get a full production release as if I installed it from scratch sans the stuff I installed outside of the FC5-T3 release?
No, some testing packages might have set weird options, or have left over binaries that could cause problems. Such an upgrade is also considered unsupportable. If you found a bug, you would need to reinstall a new FC5 system to ensure you don't have some previously solved problem getting at you.
If I want to continue testing, do you suggest that I just go ahead and do a 'yum update' but with exclusions of dependencies until eventually I get these dependencies installed later, somehow?
If you use pup (Software Updater), you can deselect packages whose dependencies can't be resolved (with some trial and error).
If you are still interested in testing, perhaps install FC5 and enable the updates-testing repo, then you get advance test versions of packages that are being updated for FC5 (usually to fix bugs, not add new functionality). This is still a help because it allows the developers to test the new packages on more varied hardware (yours). If you see a problem, check the test-list and bugzilla ASAP, so that a developer can see there is something amiss and choose to hold back on pushing the test package into the mainstream FC5 updates.
DaveT.
On Sat Mar 25, 2006 11:59AM, David Timms wrote:
Dan Thurman wrote:
On Sat, 2006-03-25 at 05:04 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
On Fri, 2006-03-24 at 15:30 -0800, Dan Thurman wrote:
Folks,
I was a but busy and I am currently in a FC5 T3 setup, so my question is, do I just stay in this environment, and simply 'yum update' to get into the FC6 level or do I have to burn any iso's and reinstall everything or what?
It's generally a good idea to do a reinstallation. If you simply run yum update, you end up with pre-FC6 rawhide which is now boiling hot. That you only want to do if you would prefer to continue testing.
There are days in testing where an update requires 500M of downloads, and then something needs a new release and it happens again the next day. You might rather your PC was a useful tool rather than forever downloading new packages.
My advice: download FC5 and install. If you have separate partitions for / and /home, note down the partition information (to use during install) and ensure all the things you want to keep are under /home .
Then reboot in single user mode, and mv /home/your-user-name to /home/name-old or similar.
Reboot with CD/dvd for install, and ensure you choose custom partitioning. You then need to tell the installer which partition to use as which: /boot +format / +format /home don't format. Then you'll have a complete FC5 install, but haven't lost any info that was still on your disk under /home. However, the user account is created new so that any weird stuff from the old install is avoided.
So in doing this, do I then move /home/username-old back to /home/username once done or just leave it the way it is and access the old data going forward under /home/username-old?
<snip>
Trey Sizemore wrote: ...
So in doing this, do I then move /home/username-old back to /home/username once done or just leave it the way it is and access the old data going forward under /home/username-old?
My suggestions would be move all your /home/username-old/subfolders back, but not any configuration files/ .hidden files from the original install. Then you ensure you aren't contaminating/overwriting your clean install config files with stuff from the Test releases. I might be being a bit pessimistic with this suggestion ??
At least you'll get some practice and testing in reconfiguring the desktop to work how you like it :)
DaveT.
Hi,
I was a but busy and I am currently in a FC5 T3 setup, so my question is, do I just stay in this environment, and simply 'yum update' to get into the FC6 level or do I have to burn any iso's and reinstall everything or what?
Nope, just do yum update and that will do the updates so you're using the FC5 rawhide (FC5T3 really means FC5 test candidate 3, so it would really be 4.91-3 or something like that)
TTFN
Paul
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