Only tested for one day, but startup time has passed form 19 secs to 13 secs and responsiveness inside the DE is much more aggressive than 3.5.2! Well done, kde guys and fedora guys!!! But why doesn't fedora switch to kde finally? Or at least neither was kde evaluated as a possible default DE for fedora core 6 cycle review? I think it should happen a serious comparison between available opportunities at least at first stages after fc5 release and before fc6 work... but probably rh developers are much more involved with gnome core too, are they? Otherwise I don't see other valid reasons to discard apriori kde as default DE. Would it be at least choosable as the default DE during installation of fc6...?
Gianluca
PS: my system is a dual athlon MP 2200+ (1800MHz) with 1GB of ram and 1 serial arta disk.
Le mardi 20 juin 2006 à 15:29 +0200, Gianluca Cecchi a écrit :
But why doesn't fedora switch to kde finally?
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PS: my system is a dual athlon MP 2200+ (1800MHz) with 1GB of ram and 1 serial arta disk.
Because maybe KDE suck huge rocks through tiny straws on machines that are less powerful than that? And on my Vaio C1XD running FC5, gnome takes up much less of the 1024x480 pixel real estate than KDE. Having tried both gnome is more Mac OS X like than KDE and my other machines are Macs.
So there are three good reasons why not to.
Cheers
Tony
On Tuesday 20 June 2006 2:49 pm, tony wrote:
Le mardi 20 juin 2006 à 15:29 +0200, Gianluca Cecchi a écrit :
But why doesn't fedora switch to kde finally?
<snip>
PS: my system is a dual athlon MP 2200+ (1800MHz) with 1GB of ram and 1 serial arta disk.
Because maybe KDE suck huge rocks through tiny straws on machines that are less powerful than that?
Not true. I've run KDE on machines much less powerful than that, and KDE has always been as responsive as gnome. The idea that gnome is fast than KDE is pure crude, particularly with the latest versions of both (where, in my experience, it is actually the other way around)
And on my Vaio C1XD running FC5, gnome takes up much less of the 1024x480 pixel real estate than KDE.
Did you actually try to change any of the settings. The advantage of KDE is it is much more configurable than gnome, and can be made to look almost however you want.
Having tried both gnome is more Mac OS X like than KDE and my other machines are Macs.
So there are three good reasons why not to.
If making things look like Max OSX is your aim then fine. Not everyone likes the way OSX looks (me in particular)
cheers Chris
p.s. Asking if FC/RH is going to switch to KDE is a waste of time - they are tied at the hip to gnome. What we can hope for is equal support, and the idea to push KDE to extras is a step in that direction.
Cheers
Tony
On Tuesday 20 June 2006 08:29, "Gianluca Cecchi" gianluca.cecchi@gmail.com wrote:
Only tested for one day, but startup time has passed form 19 secs to 13 secs and responsiveness inside the DE is much more aggressive than 3.5.2! Well done, kde guys and fedora guys!!! But why doesn't fedora switch to kde finally? Or at least neither was kde evaluated as a possible default DE for fedora core 6 cycle review? I think it should happen a serious comparison between available opportunities at least at first stages after fc5 release and before fc6 work... but probably rh developers are much more involved with gnome core too, are they? Otherwise I don't see other valid reasons to discard apriori kde as default DE. Would it be at least choosable as the default DE during installation of fc6...?
A significant investment has already been put into GNOME, and it remains the preferred desktop environment for Fedora Core. Everyone has a different opinion about desktop environments, and there are many Fedora users, including myself, who prefer KDE, but it is not a clear majority. GNOME will remain the default environment for Fedora Core, and KDE will continue to be an install-time option. Through Fedora Core 6, KDE will remain in Fedora Core. We're hoping to move it to Extras for Fedora Core 7. Once there, we hope to make it available on a separate disc so that users may choose whether to download GNOME or KDE and can choose either one by taking advantage of planned improvements in Anaconda, the Fedora Core installer. We hope that KDE will see better care in Extras, where the community can more easily work on it, than it currently gets in Core.
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/KDE http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UnleashKDE http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/KDE
[ snig ]
A significant investment has already been put into GNOME, and it remains the preferred desktop environment for Fedora Core.
I must admit, something about Gnome just says "commerical client desktop environment"
Everyone has a different opinion about desktop environments, and there are many Fedora users, including myself, who prefer KDE, but it is not a clear majority.
Would be nice if an official poll was conducted...would satisfy my curiousity at least...i think.
GNOME will remain the default environment for Fedora Core, and KDE will continue to be an install-time option. Through Fedora Core 6, KDE will remain in Fedora Core. We're hoping to move it to Extras for Fedora Core 7. Once there, we hope to make it available on a separate disc so that users may choose whether to download GNOME or KDE and can choose either one by taking advantage of planned improvements in Anaconda, the Fedora Core installer.
Would be nice if there was a cd for XFCE...but that is of little to no priority I suppose.
We hope that KDE will see better care in Extras, where the community can more easily work on it, than it currently gets in Core.
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/KDE http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UnleashKDE http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/KDE
On Tue, 2006-06-20 at 17:15 -0500, Arthur Pemberton wrote:
[ snig ]
A significant investment has already been put into GNOME, and it remains the preferred desktop environment for Fedora Core.
I must admit, something about Gnome just says "commerical client desktop environment"
Not sure what commercial desktop environment means here. If you mean backed by commercial vendors, the same can be said about Fedora and the Linux kernel and thats a good thing as long as they are under Free software licenses ensuring the ability for anyone else to fork and derive to change direction.
Rahul
On 6/20/06, Rahul Sundaram sundaram@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On Tue, 2006-06-20 at 17:15 -0500, Arthur Pemberton wrote:
[ snig ]
A significant investment has already been put into GNOME, and it remains the preferred desktop environment for Fedora Core.
I must admit, something about Gnome just says "commerical client desktop environment"
Not sure what commercial desktop environment means here. If you mean backed by commercial vendors, the same can be said about Fedora and the Linux kernel and thats a good thing as long as they are under Free software licenses ensuring the ability for anyone else to fork and derive to change direction.
Rahul
Forgive the lack of clarity - by that I meant something for offices, and businesses. And it wasn't meant in a good way. I have no biff with Gnome, I just rather KDE.
Gianluca Cecchi wrote:
Only tested for one day, but startup time has passed form 19 secs to 13 secs and responsiveness inside the DE is much more aggressive than 3.5.2! Well done, kde guys and fedora guys!!!
Thanks, that is quite and improvement.
Would it be at least choosable as the default DE during installation of fc6...?
Hopefully for fc7 ...
-- Rex
On 6/20/06, Rex Dieter rdieter@math.unl.edu wrote:
Gianluca Cecchi wrote:
Only tested for one day, but startup time has passed form 19 secs to 13 secs and responsiveness inside the DE is much more aggressive than 3.5.2! Well done, kde guys and fedora guys!!!
Thanks, that is quite and improvement.
Rex, your work (and those who work with you) has always been good. Though I am a bit curious as to why the only time I ventured off and tried KDE-Redhat it seemed better than what was in Fedora Core.
BTW...if ever you can put together a script, quick to follow set of steps for packing themes and other less essential, but nice to have files for KDE, I'll put some effort into rollinga few packages. 24 hours per day is a limiting factor.
Would it be at least choosable as the default DE during installation of fc6...?
Hopefully for fc7 ...
-- Rex
In the mean time migth want to add something to the effect of "KDE users are also welcomed" in the topic of #fedora
On Tue, 2006-06-20 at 15:29 +0200, Gianluca Cecchi wrote:
Only tested for one day, but startup time has passed form 19 secs to 13 secs and responsiveness inside the DE is much more aggressive than 3.5.2! Well done, kde guys and fedora guys!!! But why doesn't fedora switch to kde finally? Or at least neither was kde evaluated as a possible default DE for fedora core 6 cycle review?
Defaults are usually not reviewed for every release. The choice between GNOME and KDE is not clear cut. Someone will want XFCE as default. Others fluxbox.
I think it should happen a serious comparison between available opportunities at least at first stages after fc5 release and before fc6 work... but probably rh developers are much more involved with gnome core too, are they?
That is a well known fact.
Otherwise I don't see other valid reasons to discard apriori kde as default DE. Would it be at least choosable as the default DE during installation of fc6...?
What prevents you from choosing KDE and leaving out GNOME during the installation process?
Rahul
On 6/20/06, Rahul Sundaram sundaram@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On Tue, 2006-06-20 at 15:29 +0200, Gianluca Cecchi wrote:
Only tested for one day, but startup time has passed form 19 secs to 13 secs and responsiveness inside the DE is much more aggressive than 3.5.2! Well done, kde guys and fedora guys!!! But why doesn't fedora switch to kde finally? Or at least neither was kde evaluated as a possible default DE for fedora core 6 cycle review?
Defaults are usually not reviewed for every release. The choice between GNOME and KDE is not clear cut. Someone will want XFCE as default. Others fluxbox.
I think it should happen a serious comparison between available opportunities at least at first stages after fc5 release and before fc6 work... but probably rh developers are much more involved with gnome core too, are they?
That is a well known fact.
Otherwise I don't see other valid reasons to discard apriori kde as default DE. Would it be at least choosable as the default DE during installation of fc6...?
What prevents you from choosing KDE and leaving out GNOME during the installation process?
Rahul
Ekiga and Evince require the entire gnome desktop somewhow. Although they can be replaced, I suppose, Evince is kinda nice, and no equivallent Qt/KDe app exists in Extras that I know of for Ekiga.
On Tue, 2006-06-20 at 17:21 -0500, Arthur Pemberton wrote:
On 6/20/06, Rahul Sundaram sundaram@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On Tue, 2006-06-20 at 15:29 +0200, Gianluca Cecchi wrote:
Only tested for one day, but startup time has passed form 19 secs to 13 secs and responsiveness inside the DE is much more aggressive than 3.5.2! Well done, kde guys and fedora guys!!! But why doesn't fedora switch to kde finally? Or at least neither was kde evaluated as a possible default DE for fedora core 6 cycle review?
Defaults are usually not reviewed for every release. The choice between GNOME and KDE is not clear cut. Someone will want XFCE as default. Others fluxbox.
I think it should happen a serious comparison between available opportunities at least at first stages after fc5 release and before fc6 work... but probably rh developers are much more involved with gnome core too, are they?
That is a well known fact.
Otherwise I don't see other valid reasons to discard apriori kde as default DE. Would it be at least choosable as the default DE during installation of fc6...?
What prevents you from choosing KDE and leaving out GNOME during the installation process?
Rahul
Ekiga and Evince require the entire gnome desktop somewhow.
What do you mean by that? You cant really complain that GNOME components require other GNOME components to work anyway. Thats the whole point of a desktop environment.
Although they can be replaced, I suppose, Evince is kinda nice
KPDF and Evince share the same freedesktop.org library (poppler forked off XPDF) so the file reading capabilities should be the same.
, and no equivallent Qt/KDe app exists in Extras that I know of for Ekiga.
Rahul
On 6/20/06, Rahul Sundaram sundaram@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On Tue, 2006-06-20 at 17:21 -0500, Arthur Pemberton wrote:
On 6/20/06, Rahul Sundaram sundaram@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On Tue, 2006-06-20 at 15:29 +0200, Gianluca Cecchi wrote:
Only tested for one day, but startup time has passed form 19 secs to 13 secs and responsiveness inside the DE is much more aggressive than 3.5.2! Well done, kde guys and fedora guys!!! But why doesn't fedora switch to kde finally? Or at least neither was kde evaluated as a possible default DE for fedora core 6 cycle review?
Defaults are usually not reviewed for every release. The choice between GNOME and KDE is not clear cut. Someone will want XFCE as default. Others fluxbox.
I think it should happen a serious comparison between available opportunities at least at first stages after fc5 release and before fc6 work... but probably rh developers are much more involved with gnome core too, are they?
That is a well known fact.
Otherwise I don't see other valid reasons to discard apriori kde as default DE. Would it be at least choosable as the default DE during installation of fc6...?
What prevents you from choosing KDE and leaving out GNOME during the installation process?
Rahul
Ekiga and Evince require the entire gnome desktop somewhow.
What do you mean by that? You cant really complain that GNOME components require other GNOME components to work anyway. Thats the whole point of a desktop environment.
I thought they might require gnomelibs not gnome-desktop. But that just goes to show my lack of understanding I suppose.
Although they can be replaced, I suppose, Evince is kinda nice
KPDF and Evince share the same freedesktop.org library (poppler forked off XPDF) so the file reading capabilities should be the same.
, and no equivallent Qt/KDe app exists in Extras that I know of for Ekiga.
Rahul
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On 6/20/06, Gianluca Cecchi gianluca.cecchi@gmail.com wrote:
Only tested for one day, but startup time has passed form 19 secs to 13 secs and responsiveness inside the DE is much more aggressive than 3.5.2! Well done, kde guys and fedora guys!!!
... and while we are busy heaping praise, can someone take time out to tell me what happened to kcalc - the KDE calculator. This is supposed to be part of kdeutils yet rpm -ql kdeutils | /bin/grep alc yields
/usr/share/doc/HTML/en/kcalc /usr/share/doc/HTML/en/kcalc/commands.docbook /usr/share/doc/HTML/en/kcalc/common /usr/share/doc/HTML/en/kcalc/index.cache.bz2 /usr/share/doc/HTML/en/kcalc/index.docbook /usr/share/doc/HTML/en/kcalc/kcalc_on_Aix.txt /usr/share/doc/HTML/en/kcalc/kcalc_on_OSF.txt
Was this program removed? If yes, why?
rpm -q kdeutils kdeadmin-3.5.3-0.1.fc5.i386
ne...
On 6/20/06, ne... guhvies@gmail.com wrote:
On 6/20/06, Gianluca Cecchi gianluca.cecchi@gmail.com wrote:
Only tested for one day, but startup time has passed form 19 secs to 13 secs and responsiveness inside the DE is much more aggressive than 3.5.2! Well done, kde guys and fedora guys!!!
... and while we are busy heaping praise, can someone take time out to tell me what happened to kcalc - the KDE calculator. This is supposed to be part of kdeutils yet rpm -ql kdeutils | /bin/grep alc yields
/usr/share/doc/HTML/en/kcalc /usr/share/doc/HTML/en/kcalc/commands.docbook /usr/share/doc/HTML/en/kcalc/common /usr/share/doc/HTML/en/kcalc/index.cache.bz2 /usr/share/doc/HTML/en/kcalc/index.docbook /usr/share/doc/HTML/en/kcalc/kcalc_on_Aix.txt /usr/share/doc/HTML/en/kcalc/kcalc_on_OSF.txt
Was this program removed? If yes, why?
rpm -q kdeutils kdeadmin-3.5.3-0.1.fc5.i386
ne...
Yikes, the dude is right. Kcalc is awall. I'm guessing this an rpm bug?
On 6/20/06, ne... guhvies@gmail.com wrote:
On 6/20/06, Gianluca Cecchi gianluca.cecchi@gmail.com wrote:
Only tested for one day, but startup time has passed form 19 secs to 13 secs and responsiveness inside the DE is much more aggressive than 3.5.2! Well done, kde guys and fedora guys!!!
... and while we are busy heaping praise, can someone take time out to tell me what happened to kcalc - the KDE calculator. This is supposed to be part of kdeutils yet rpm -ql kdeutils | /bin/grep alc yields
/usr/share/doc/HTML/en/kcalc /usr/share/doc/HTML/en/kcalc/commands.docbook /usr/share/doc/HTML/en/kcalc/common /usr/share/doc/HTML/en/kcalc/index.cache.bz2 /usr/share/doc/HTML/en/kcalc/index.docbook /usr/share/doc/HTML/en/kcalc/kcalc_on_Aix.txt /usr/share/doc/HTML/en/kcalc/kcalc_on_OSF.txt
Was this program removed? If yes, why?
rpm -q kdeutils kdeadmin-3.5.3-0.1.fc5.i386
ne...
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=196051