What do we have in testing (rawhide) or extras that will allow one to view these streaming clips:
http://movielibrary.lynda.com/html/modPage.asp?ID=97
The first few are freebies.
On Sun, Feb 06, 2005 at 10:49:45AM -0600, Harry Putnam wrote:
What do we have in testing (rawhide) or extras that will allow one to view these streaming clips: http://movielibrary.lynda.com/html/modPage.asp?ID=97 The first few are freebies.
Nothing; can't do it with the legal situation in the US.
Matthew Miller mattdm@mattdm.org writes:
On Sun, Feb 06, 2005 at 10:49:45AM -0600, Harry Putnam wrote:
What do we have in testing (rawhide) or extras that will allow one to view these streaming clips: http://movielibrary.lynda.com/html/modPage.asp?ID=97 The first few are freebies.
Nothing; can't do it with the legal situation in the US.
Not sure what you mean here. Those clips can be viewed from any uptodate winXP machine. Do you mean we have nothing that can view them. How is legality involved?
On Sun, Feb 06, 2005 at 11:18:58AM -0600, Harry Putnam wrote:
On Sun, Feb 06, 2005 at 10:49:45AM -0600, Harry Putnam wrote:
What do we have in testing (rawhide) or extras that will allow one to view these streaming clips: http://movielibrary.lynda.com/html/modPage.asp?ID=97 The first few are freebies.
Nothing; can't do it with the legal situation in the US.
Not sure what you mean here. Those clips can be viewed from any uptodate winXP machine. Do you mean we have nothing that can view them. How is legality involved?
The movies are encoded in Quicktime using the Sorenson video codec, which is protected by software patents in the US. No one but official licensees can make a player -- which means no open source software, and they haven't even deigned to make a binary one available.
You have two options: 1) install wine and use the Windows binary QuickTime player or 2) find a non-US Fedora Core repository which contains software like mplayer or xine which can play these movies.
Unfortuntely, because of the legal situation, Fedora and Red Hat have *no* options except continuing to protest bad laws.
Further discussion is really off-topic for the -devel list -- we can take this to the main fedora list if you like.
Harry Putnam wrote:
Matthew Miller mattdm@mattdm.org writes:
On Sun, Feb 06, 2005 at 10:49:45AM -0600, Harry Putnam wrote:
What do we have in testing (rawhide) or extras that will allow one to view these streaming clips: http://movielibrary.lynda.com/html/modPage.asp?ID=97 The first few are freebies.
Nothing; can't do it with the legal situation in the US.
Not sure what you mean here. Those clips can be viewed from any uptodate winXP machine. Do you mean we have nothing that can view them. How is legality involved?
It means that unless Apple makes an official quicktime release for linux , there's no legal way to watch those videos. All the quicktime implementations available for linux (AFAIK) are based on reverse engineering (or other option that goes against the EULA for their products). That's the same reason several other things arent available in Fedora , like NTFS... Maybe using the packages from rpm.livna.org you'll be able to watch those videos.. Specially using mplayer with the full codec pack (I dont know if it's available on livna , but it's a tar.gz on mplayer's website).
-- Pedro Macedo
On Sun, 6 Feb 2005, Pedro Fernandes Macedo wrote:
All the quicktime implementations available for linux (AFAIK) are based on reverse engineering (or other option that goes against the EULA for their products). That's the same reason several other things arent available in Fedora , like NTFS...
isn't samba reverse engineered too?
-Dan
On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 18:56:27 -0800 (PST), Dan Hollis goemon@anime.net wrote:
isn't samba reverse engineered too?
funny you should mention this...
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20050205010415933
-jef
On Sun, 6 Feb 2005, Jeff Spaleta wrote:
On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 18:56:27 -0800 (PST), Dan Hollis goemon@anime.net wrote:
isn't samba reverse engineered too?
funny you should mention this... http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20050205010415933
Well, we know for a 100% fact that drivers/net/forcedeth.c in the current kernels is reverse engineered.
http://www.hailfinger.org/carldani/linux/patches/forcedeth/
IIRC the adaptec scsi drivers are reverse engineered as well. though i think adaptec eventually came to their senses and started helping years later.
-Dan
On Sun, 2005-02-06 at 19:42 -0800, Dan Hollis wrote:
On Sun, 6 Feb 2005, Jeff Spaleta wrote:
On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 18:56:27 -0800 (PST), Dan Hollis goemon@anime.net wrote:
isn't samba reverse engineered too?
funny you should mention this... http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20050205010415933
Well, we know for a 100% fact that drivers/net/forcedeth.c in the current kernels is reverse engineered.
Last I knew, reverse engineering most certainly was *not* illegal, at least in the US. Some companies and individuals would like us to think so, but even the notorious and much maligned (justifiably) DMCA has a reverse engineering provision. Having reverse engineering provisions in EULAs is, IMNSHO, a scare tactic. Of course, IANAL, so take that with a grain of salt. There's always the one-group-does-the-reverse-engineering-and-docs and second-group-follows-docs-and-does-coding trick, (IOW: clean room) if you want to be extra cautious. The biggest problem with some of the aforementioned technologies is not so much reverse engineering (though I hear the Sorenson codec was b**ch to figure out, which is why it took so long), but patents. Also, another problem with reverse engineering, as Andrew Tridgell brings up in the Groklaw article above, is that it usually yields bad code. Better to have to docs in hand.
IIRC the adaptec scsi drivers are reverse engineered as well. though i think adaptec eventually came to their senses and started helping years later.
Don't know about the history, but you can download the GPLed source for the driver for at least aacraid cards. It is a year old, I think, and it *appears* that what's in the kernel is a little older, given the version number and some of the significant differences, but the one in the kernel also appears to be actively maintained. Still, from some things I've read googling around, I wonder if rolling in some of the updates from Adaptec would be a good idea. But I digress. Nevertheless, the point is that, yes, Adaptec seems to have a clue when it comes to releasing GPLed drivers (not just specs) for their controllers.
On Mon, 7 Feb 2005, Paul Iadonisi wrote:
The biggest problem with some of the aforementioned technologies is not so much reverse engineering (though I hear the Sorenson codec was b**ch to figure out, which is why it took so long), but patents.
Does anyone know of any existing NTFS patent numbers?
I know of patent numbers for FAT and CIFS. I've never found an NTFS patent though. And i've looked for years.
Nevertheless, the point is that, yes, Adaptec seems to have a clue when it comes to releasing GPLed drivers (not just specs) for their controllers.
It took adaptec something like 5-6 years to come to their senses. Most of whats in aic7xxx was reverse engineered with little or no docs.
-Dan
Dan Hollis wrote:
Does anyone know of any existing NTFS patent numbers?
I know of patent numbers for FAT and CIFS. I've never found an NTFS patent though. And i've looked for years.
could it be that you can only find ntfs-features patents ?
http://patft.uspto.gov/netahtml/search-adv.htm eg. "an/microsoft and ntfs"
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&u=...
On Mon, 7 Feb 2005, shrek-m@gmx.de wrote:
Dan Hollis wrote:
Does anyone know of any existing NTFS patent numbers? I know of patent numbers for FAT and CIFS. I've never found an NTFS patent though. And i've looked for years.
could it be that you can only find ntfs-features patents ? http://patft.uspto.gov/netahtml/search-adv.htm eg. "an/microsoft and ntfs" http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&u=...
Some of those patents appear that they would apply to ext3 and reiserfs also :-/
With that search, looks like FAT is equally troubled with patents: http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&u=...
Which patent(s) do you believe applies to http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/info/ntfs.html ?
-Dan
With that search, looks like FAT is equally troubled with patents: http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&u=...
"Microsoft's attempt to create a lucrative future revenue stream from its patent portfolio has tripped at the first hurdle."
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/09/30/microsoft_fat_patent_rejected/
On Mon, 7 Feb 2005, nodata wrote:
With that search, looks like FAT is equally troubled with patents: http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&u=...
"Microsoft's attempt to create a lucrative future revenue stream from its patent portfolio has tripped at the first hurdle." http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/09/30/microsoft_fat_patent_rejected/
there are other fat patents. thats just one.
-Dan
Le Dimanche 6 Février 2005 17:49, Harry Putnam a écrit :
What do we have in testing (rawhide) or extras that will allow one to view these streaming clips:
http://movielibrary.lynda.com/html/modPage.asp?ID=97
The first few are freebies.
You can use RealPlayer 10 from real. It reads this well. RealPlayer is free for download.
On Sun, 6 Feb 2005, DJ Anubis wrote:
Le Dimanche 6 Février 2005 17:49, Harry Putnam a écrit :
What do we have in testing (rawhide) or extras that will allow one to view these streaming clips: http://movielibrary.lynda.com/html/modPage.asp?ID=97 The first few are freebies.
You can use RealPlayer 10 from real. It reads this well. RealPlayer is free for download.
realplayer 10 doesn't play sorenson codec encoded quicktime. at least not on linux.
-Dan
DJ Anubis anubis@lab-project.net writes:
Le Dimanche 6 Février 2005 17:49, Harry Putnam a écrit :
What do we have in testing (rawhide) or extras that will allow one to view these streaming clips:
http://movielibrary.lynda.com/html/modPage.asp?ID=97
The first few are freebies.
You can use RealPlayer 10 from real. It reads this well. RealPlayer is free for download.
It doesn't seem to here... but thanks for the tip. (wrapped for mail) http://movielibrary.lynda.com/video/player.asp? ModID=97&ModMovieID=5555&chap_num=3
Gets me: `The Player does not have the capabilities to play back this content.'
Clicking on `details' shows: The following components are required text/html URL: (wrapped for mail)
http://movielibrary.lynda.com/video/player.asp? ModID=97&ModMovieID=5555&chap_num=3
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