Sysem-Config-Network says that 'rp-pppoe should be installed' (while configuring adsl).
The rpm is not present in the F11 beta dvd. Checked with rpm too.
But the build date of rp-pppoe for F11 is 25th Feb
Why was it not included?
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A. Mani
On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 21:28:54 +0530, Mani A a.mani.cms@gmail.com wrote:
Sysem-Config-Network says that 'rp-pppoe should be installed' (while configuring adsl).
Only if you have a crappy DSL provider that uses pppoe instead of normal connection.
The rpm is not present in the F11 beta dvd. Checked with rpm too.
It is available in the repo so you can use yum to install it.
Why was it not included?
There is only limited space of the DVDs so not everything can be included. Why that particular choice was made I can't say.
On (12/04/09 11:43), Bruno Wolff III wrote:
Only if you have a crappy DSL provider that uses pppoe instead of normal connection.
There are still a lot of these.
The rpm is not present in the F11 beta dvd. Checked with rpm too.
It is available in the repo so you can use yum to install it.
It's kind of tricky to download the package that you need to setup your internet connection.
On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 20:42:11 +0300, Nikolay Vladimirov nikolay@vladimiroff.com wrote:
It's kind of tricky to download the package that you need to setup your internet connection.
There are a couple of possible solutions.
One is to make the package a dependency of one of the networking packages. This doesn't seem right though as people who don't need it will need to keep it installed.
Two is to get it added to one or more of the kickstart files used to build spins. These are included in the spins-kickstart package, though I am not sure that is the correct avenue to use to request this kind of change, as the individual kickstart files have maintainers that may not see bugs filed against spin kickstarts. The Spins SIG might be a group to approach about this issue for guidance.
On (12/04/09 13:05), Bruno Wolff III wrote:
On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 20:42:11 +0300, Nikolay Vladimirov nikolay@vladimiroff.com wrote:
It's kind of tricky to download the package that you need to setup your internet connection.
There are a couple of possible solutions.
One is to make the package a dependency of one of the networking packages. This doesn't seem right though as people who don't need it will need to keep it installed.
Two is to get it added to one or more of the kickstart files used to build spins. These are included in the spins-kickstart package, though I am not sure that is the correct avenue to use to request this kind of change, as the individual kickstart files have maintainers that may not see bugs filed against spin kickstarts. The Spins SIG might be a group to approach about this issue for guidance.
I think I know why they removed it.
NetworkManager has integrated pppoe support.(not really sure but I still have the pppoe connection option in NetwokManager without the rp-pppoe package) rp-pppoe is needed only if you use the classic 'network' service. Which is sensible only on a server or some non-Desktop usage. I'm not sure how common is to use the DVD or pppoe on servers. I guess there are plenty of usecases I just can't think of any realistic ones where rp-pppoe is absolutely needed. So no need to include it on any Desktop orientated spin. I think it will be good to be in the DVD it's a 234k rpm.
On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 12:19 AM, Nikolay Vladimirov nikolay@vladimiroff.com wrote:
I think I know why they removed it.
NetworkManager has integrated pppoe support.(not really sure but I still have the pppoe connection option in NetwokManager without the rp-pppoe package)
pppd and pppoe-discovery were present without rp-pppoe or pppoe. The latter did detect the access concentrator. But network manager wanted rp-pppoe
rp-pppoe is needed only if you use the classic 'network' service. Which is sensible only on a server or some non-Desktop usage. I'm not sure how common is to use the DVD or pppoe on servers. I guess there are plenty of usecases I just can't think of any realistic ones where rp-pppoe is absolutely needed. So no need to include it on any Desktop orientated spin. I think it will be good to be in the DVD it's a 234k rpm.
It is compulsory to use a username + passwd for ADSL in most parts of India. The largest broad band service provider DataOne (BSNL) requires it
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A. Mani
Bruno Wolff III (bruno@wolff.to) said:
On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 20:42:11 +0300, Nikolay Vladimirov nikolay@vladimiroff.com wrote:
It's kind of tricky to download the package that you need to setup your internet connection.
There are a couple of possible solutions.
One is to make the package a dependency of one of the networking packages. This doesn't seem right though as people who don't need it will need to keep it installed.
Two is to get it added to one or more of the kickstart files used to build spins. These are included in the spins-kickstart package, though I am not sure that is the correct avenue to use to request this kind of change, as the individual kickstart files have maintainers that may not see bugs filed against spin kickstarts. The Spins SIG might be a group to approach about this issue for guidance.
Just adding it to the proper comps group should fix it too.
Bill
On Tue, 2009-04-14 at 10:46 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote:
Bruno Wolff III (bruno@wolff.to) said:
On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 20:42:11 +0300, Nikolay Vladimirov nikolay@vladimiroff.com wrote:
It's kind of tricky to download the package that you need to setup your internet connection.
There are a couple of possible solutions.
One is to make the package a dependency of one of the networking packages. This doesn't seem right though as people who don't need it will need to keep it installed.
Two is to get it added to one or more of the kickstart files used to build spins. These are included in the spins-kickstart package, though I am not sure that is the correct avenue to use to request this kind of change, as the individual kickstart files have maintainers that may not see bugs filed against spin kickstarts. The Spins SIG might be a group to approach about this issue for guidance.
Just adding it to the proper comps group should fix it too.
It's default in the "Dial-up Networking Support" (dial-up) group -- isn't that included in the DVD?
Nils
Just adding it to the proper comps group should fix it too.
It's default in the "Dial-up Networking Support" (dial-up) group -- isn't that included in the DVD?
See: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-india/2009-April/msg00095.html
Cheers, Debarshi
On Tue, 2009-04-14 at 10:46 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote:
Bruno Wolff III (bruno@wolff.to) said:
On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 20:42:11 +0300, Nikolay Vladimirov nikolay@vladimiroff.com wrote:
It's kind of tricky to download the package that you need to setup your internet connection.
There are a couple of possible solutions.
One is to make the package a dependency of one of the networking packages. This doesn't seem right though as people who don't need it will need to keep it installed.
Two is to get it added to one or more of the kickstart files used to build spins. These are included in the spins-kickstart package, though I am not sure that is the correct avenue to use to request this kind of change, as the individual kickstart files have maintainers that may not see bugs filed against spin kickstarts. The Spins SIG might be a group to approach about this issue for guidance.
Just adding it to the proper comps group should fix it too.
Has anything yet been done to resolve this, or should a bug report be filed?
Adam Williamson (awilliam@redhat.com) said:
Just adding it to the proper comps group should fix it too.
Has anything yet been done to resolve this, or should a bug report be filed?
I thought one was filed to add the dialup group to the DVD spin kickstart, although I'm not finding it at the moment.
Bill
On Tue, 2009-04-21 at 21:22 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote:
Adam Williamson (awilliam@redhat.com) said:
Just adding it to the proper comps group should fix it too.
Has anything yet been done to resolve this, or should a bug report be filed?
I thought one was filed to add the dialup group to the DVD spin kickstart, although I'm not finding it at the moment.
Bill
I was contacted on IRC to do this, and I did it.
On Tue, 2009-04-21 at 18:35 -0700, Jesse Keating wrote:
On Tue, 2009-04-21 at 21:22 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote:
Adam Williamson (awilliam@redhat.com) said:
Just adding it to the proper comps group should fix it too.
Has anything yet been done to resolve this, or should a bug report be filed?
I thought one was filed to add the dialup group to the DVD spin kickstart, although I'm not finding it at the moment.
Bill
I was contacted on IRC to do this, and I did it.
Awesome, thanks (I needed the info for a forum thread on the issue).
Update: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=495872
In fedora 10, this integration problem was not present
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