Now that Reiser4 is released is there any hope to see it in FC3.
Thanks,
Nadeem
PS: I know this is wishful thinking. since test 2 is due in two weeks.
Now that Reiser4 is released is there any hope to see it in FC3.
I think this was already discussed in the devel mail list earlier this week. From what I gather reading the lkml, its not really ready to go. Amongst some lively discussions, Hans admits to needing to do a top to bottom code review. Its beta quality. Plugins are missing that would be needed for production systems. Pure speculation on my part is a month or two for Reiser4 to settle out. It does sound promising, though.
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Em Sex, 2004-08-27 às 23:26, Steve G escreveu:
I think this was already discussed in the devel mail list earlier this week. From what I gather reading the lkml, its not really ready to go. Amongst some lively discussions, Hans admits to needing to do a top to bottom code review. Its beta quality. Plugins are missing that would be needed for production systems. Pure speculation on my part is a month or two for Reiser4 to settle out. It does sound promising, though.
What about reiser3? It's been part of red hat's distros for years. Why don't let it as an option on default installations? (eg wihtout typing linux reiserfs)
On Fri, 2004-08-27 at 19:36, Alexandre Strube wrote:
What about reiser3? It's been part of red hat's distros for years. Why don't let it as an option on default installations? (eg wihtout typing linux reiserfs)
Hmm, let me guess: 1) Red Hat has no particular interest in ReiserFS since they use ext3 as their supported file system for RHEL. 2) Nobody else has stepped up to make sure that ReiserFS actually works well in Fedora.
Thus the option is there as-is, but it's not available by default since it's less tested, not well-known by Red Hat people, and thus not a good choice for inexperienced users of Fedora. (It may be a good choice for inexperienced users of SUSE since they have people working on it and making sure that it's doing OK.)
Just wondering here: Why do you care about ReiserFS anyways? Reiser4 has some very interesting features, with its treatment of metadata which esssentially turns files into directories, but it sure takes some real consideration of the consequences before moving to something like that. ReiserFS 3 is, as far as I can see, just another filesystem, and one that its originators have pretty much abandoned for Reiser4 (although e.g. SUSE people are effectively maintaining it in the kernel). It may be fast under certain circumstances, but not always: recently ReiserFS has shown up as one of the major causes of latency problems in the kernel (which have been dug up thanks to the investigative and fixing work of Ingo Molnar and others). Latency problems have bothered e.g. the high-end audio community - they have very stringent latency requirements as audio processing is in many cases essentially a soft real-time task, but in general latency is also a problem for e.g. desktop responsiveness and interactivity. Given that ReiserFS 3 is by no means a lear-cut slam-dunk it seems completely pointless to care about raising the profile of it at this point.
/Per
On Sat, Aug 28, 2004 at 11:59:11AM -0700, Per Bjornsson wrote:
What about reiser3? It's been part of red hat's distros for years. Why don't let it as an option on default installations? (eg wihtout typing linux reiserfs)
Hmm, let me guess:
- Red Hat has no particular interest in ReiserFS since they use ext3 as
their supported file system for RHEL. 2) Nobody else has stepped up to make sure that ReiserFS actually works well in Fedora.
3) Why bother? There's no huge pressing need, and Reiser4 is going to (in theory) be so cool that we might as well wait for it.
On Fri, 2004-08-27 at 17:13, Nadeem Bitar wrote:
Now that Reiser4 is released is there any hope to see it in FC3.
No. It has huge performance and stability problems, and it's unlikely to make it into the kernel for many months until some substantial design issues are resolved.
Also, I don't know if you remember the early history of reiser3, but it took about two years of work by SuSE employees to get it into a state where it didn't eat people's data on a frequent basis.
You don't even *want* a release 1.0 filesystem to be available. Especially from Hans :-)
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