Currently installed F22 lxde spin, which contains: fedora-release-nonproduct-22-0.12.noarch fedora-release-22-0.10.noarch
But how to convert it to server product? It seems like this should work but it fails: # dnf group install "Fedora Server" Using metadata from Mon Feb 16 21:33:49 2015 Error: package firewalld-config-standard-0.3.13-2.fc22.noarch conflicts with system-release-server provided by fedora-release-server-22-0.12.noarch
The only suggestion I'm finding so far is using fedup --product=server but that seems meant for doing a product convert in the course of an n
n+1 upgrade. The group install seems like it ought to work. Same
error happens using yum.
Funny enough, if I 'dnf remove firewalld-config-standard' the resolution ends up being a (partial?) conversion to fedora-server by removing firewalld-config-standard and fedora-release-nonproduct, and then installing a pile of server things including cockpit and fedora-release-server.
So the question really is, is conversion supposed to be possible, and if so should it be possible with group install, and where are the bugs to be filed, if any?
search bugzilla ther are several bugs on this and a nice discussion. Can't find teh link at the moment
----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Murphy" lists@colorremedies.com To: "For testing and quality assurance of Fedora releases" test@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 1:57:45 PM Subject: Convert nonproduct to productX
Currently installed F22 lxde spin, which contains: fedora-release-nonproduct-22-0.12.noarch fedora-release-22-0.10.noarch
But how to convert it to server product? It seems like this should work but it fails: # dnf group install "Fedora Server" Using metadata from Mon Feb 16 21:33:49 2015 Error: package firewalld-config-standard-0.3.13-2.fc22.noarch conflicts with system-release-server provided by fedora-release-server-22-0.12.noarch
The only suggestion I'm finding so far is using fedup --product=server but that seems meant for doing a product convert in the course of an n
n+1 upgrade. The group install seems like it ought to work. Same
error happens using yum.
Funny enough, if I 'dnf remove firewalld-config-standard' the resolution ends up being a (partial?) conversion to fedora-server by removing firewalld-config-standard and fedora-release-nonproduct, and then installing a pile of server things including cockpit and fedora-release-server.
So the question really is, is conversion supposed to be possible, and if so should it be possible with group install, and where are the bugs to be filed, if any?
On Feb 17, 2015 1:57 PM, "Chris Murphy" lists@colorremedies.com wrote:
Currently installed F22 lxde spin, which contains: fedora-release-nonproduct-22-0.12.noarch fedora-release-22-0.10.noarch
But how to convert it to server product? It seems like this should work but it fails: # dnf group install "Fedora Server" Using metadata from Mon Feb 16 21:33:49 2015 Error: package firewalld-config-standard-0.3.13-2.fc22.noarch conflicts with system-release-server provided by fedora-release-server-22-0.12.noarch
The only suggestion I'm finding so far is using fedup --product=server but that seems meant for doing a product convert in the course of an n
n+1 upgrade. The group install seems like it ought to work. Same
error happens using yum.
Funny enough, if I 'dnf remove firewalld-config-standard' the resolution ends up being a (partial?) conversion to fedora-server by removing firewalld-config-standard and fedora-release-nonproduct, and then installing a pile of server things including cockpit and fedora-release-server.
So the question really is, is conversion supposed to be possible, and if so should it be possible with group install, and where are the bugs to be filed, if any?
-- Chris Murphy --
In my personal, arguably pedantic opinion, this isn't something that should be encouraged. There are a handful of methods you could use for conversion; yum shell, yum swap, adding and removing packages, adopt-your-cattle scripts, more; further permutations between start/end products and methods.
It is a whole lot of complexity to test and support, for use cases like: "I installed the XFCE spin but I really wanted Fedora Server" or "I installed Fedora Server, but I want an LXDE desktop and don't care about cockpit or rolekit" or "I installed Fedora Workstation but I don't like GNOME and am not a developer, I just want MATE and LibreOffice".
Conversion between products is a sign that 1) the user is not familiar with the concept of Fedora products and spins, maybe because the former is new, or 2) the project is inadequately communicating the nature of deliverables.
--Pete
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 6:34 PM, Pete Travis lists@petetravis.com wrote:
In my personal, arguably pedantic opinion, this isn't something that should be encouraged.
That's reasonable. What's the rationale for group "Fedora Server" being visible instead of one of the many hidden groups?
On Feb 18, 2015 3:33 PM, "Chris Murphy" lists@colorremedies.com wrote:
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 6:34 PM, Pete Travis lists@petetravis.com wrote:
In my personal, arguably pedantic opinion, this isn't something that
should
be encouraged.
That's reasonable. What's the rationale for group "Fedora Server" being visible instead of one of the many hidden groups?
-- Chris Murphy --
Good question, let's kick it up to someone who can answer authoritatively.
Stephen, is this group intended for user consumption? If yes, how; if no, can you hide it please?
--Pete
On Feb 18, 2015, at 5:46 PM, Pete Travis lists@petetravis.com wrote:
On Feb 18, 2015 3:33 PM, "Chris Murphy" lists@colorremedies.com wrote:
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 6:34 PM, Pete Travis lists@petetravis.com wrote:
In my personal, arguably pedantic opinion, this isn't something that should be encouraged.
That's reasonable. What's the rationale for group "Fedora Server" being visible instead of one of the many hidden groups?
-- Chris Murphy --
Good question, let's kick it up to someone who can answer authoritatively.
Stephen, is this group intended for user consumption? If yes, how; if no, can you hide it please?
"Fedora Server" is an environment group. It's used to pick the Fedora Server product when using the network install.
On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 3:53 PM, Stephen Gallagher sgallagh@redhat.com wrote:
On Feb 18, 2015, at 5:46 PM, Pete Travis lists@petetravis.com wrote:
Good question, let's kick it up to someone who can answer authoritatively.
Stephen, is this group intended for user consumption? If yes, how; if no, can you hide it please?
"Fedora Server" is an environment group. It's used to pick the Fedora Server product when using the network install.
I'm referring to it being visible with 'yum/dnf group list' – where there's a huge pile of groups that aren't listed unless 'yum/dnf group list hidden' is used. So why visible if we'd like to discourage sidegrades?
On Wed, 2015-02-18 at 20:11 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote:
On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 3:53 PM, Stephen Gallagher sgallagh@redhat.com wrote:
On Feb 18, 2015, at 5:46 PM, Pete Travis lists@petetravis.com wrote:
Good question, let's kick it up to someone who can answer authoritatively.
Stephen, is this group intended for user consumption? If yes, how; if no, can you hide it please?
"Fedora Server" is an environment group. It's used to pick the Fedora Server product when using the network install.
I'm referring to it being visible with 'yum/dnf group list' – where there's a huge pile of groups that aren't listed unless 'yum/dnf group list hidden' is used. So why visible if we'd like to discourage sidegrades?
Yum/DNF always displays all Environment Groups. There's no "hidden" option for them.
On 02/19/2015 07:48 AM, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
On Wed, 2015-02-18 at 20:11 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote:
On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 3:53 PM, Stephen Gallagher sgallagh@redhat.com wrote:
On Feb 18, 2015, at 5:46 PM, Pete Travis lists@petetravis.com wrote:
Good question, let's kick it up to someone who can answer authoritatively.
Stephen, is this group intended for user consumption? If yes, how; if no, can you hide it please?
"Fedora Server" is an environment group. It's used to pick the Fedora Server product when using the network install.
I'm referring to it being visible with 'yum/dnf group list' – where there's a huge pile of groups that aren't listed unless 'yum/dnf group list hidden' is used. So why visible if we'd like to discourage sidegrades?
Yum/DNF always displays all Environment Groups. There's no "hidden" option for them.
Wondering out loud.....since the list is starting to grow rather large, should an RFE be submitted for dnf grouplist {environments,groups} or something to that effect?
Found my bug on this - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1157258
----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Murphy" lists@colorremedies.com To: "For testing and quality assurance of Fedora releases" test@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 1:57:45 PM Subject: Convert nonproduct to productX
Currently installed F22 lxde spin, which contains: fedora-release-nonproduct-22-0.12.noarch fedora-release-22-0.10.noarch
But how to convert it to server product? It seems like this should work but it fails: # dnf group install "Fedora Server" Using metadata from Mon Feb 16 21:33:49 2015 Error: package firewalld-config-standard-0.3.13-2.fc22.noarch conflicts with system-release-server provided by fedora-release-server-22-0.12.noarch
The only suggestion I'm finding so far is using fedup --product=server but that seems meant for doing a product convert in the course of an n
n+1 upgrade. The group install seems like it ought to work. Same
error happens using yum.
Funny enough, if I 'dnf remove firewalld-config-standard' the resolution ends up being a (partial?) conversion to fedora-server by removing firewalld-config-standard and fedora-release-nonproduct, and then installing a pile of server things including cockpit and fedora-release-server.
So the question really is, is conversion supposed to be possible, and if so should it be possible with group install, and where are the bugs to be filed, if any?
On Tue, 2015-02-17 at 18:49 -0700, Bodhi Zazen wrote:
Found my bug on this - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1157258
See also https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F21_bugs#environment-product-conflicts... https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1160917 , which are kind of in the same genre.
Basically it's a limitation of the somewhat icky way products/flavors are currently implemented. There's a long-term plan to do it much more nicely which requires certain RPM capabilities that it doesn't have yet; apparently we're *hoping* they arrive in F23.
I have floated to mattdm/sgallagh the possibility of simplifying the current attempt to handle -config-(product) subpackages. Currently the idea is they get pulled in when the package that needs the config is installed, relying on some rather specific RPM depsolving behaviour. IMHO this leads to more trouble than it's worth, especially since the only -config-(product) packages we actually *have* are ones which it would be pretty safe to simply stick directly in the relevant env groups, as the packages that use them should pretty much always be installed. But there's some details to be worked out if we want to change that, too.
I'd agree with Pete that this isn't *really* something we intend to 'support'; you're supposed to pick a product by, well, installing that product (and, as a one-time thing, on fedup from <21). You're not really supposed to 'convert' installs like this.
On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 12:33 PM, Adam Williamson adamwill@fedoraproject.org wrote:
I'd agree with Pete that this isn't *really* something we intend to 'support'; you're supposed to pick a product by, well, installing that product (and, as a one-time thing, on fedup from <21). You're not really supposed to 'convert' installs like this.
OK.
From this page:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedUp I can't actually tell what the default behavior is for --product if it's not specified. Does the user get a nonproduct upgrade or do they get workstation? If the former, then it's possible there are people will want a means to get a product specific side grade (same version, different product).
On 02/18/2015 04:45 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 12:33 PM, Adam Williamson adamwill@fedoraproject.org wrote:
I'd agree with Pete that this isn't *really* something we intend to 'support'; you're supposed to pick a product by, well, installing that product (and, as a one-time thing, on fedup from <21). You're not really supposed to 'convert' installs like this.
OK.
From this page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedUp I can't actually tell what the default behavior is for --product if it's not specified. Does the user get a nonproduct upgrade or do they get workstation? If the former, then it's possible there are people will want a means to get a product specific side grade (same version, different product).
IIRC, if you don't supply --product, it returns a "Usage" error, IOW the --product specifier is required.
Otherwise, see if you can glean any pertinent info from the cloud-to-server code[0]. It appears to work splendidly.
[0] https://github.com/Rorosha/cloudtoserver/blob/master/cloudtoserver
On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 5:21 PM, Dan Mossor danofsatx@gmail.com wrote:
IIRC, if you don't supply --product, it returns a "Usage" error, IOW the --product specifier is required.
OK good. So no user is unwittingly ending up with some outcome they haven't signed up for.
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