Test case [1] is marked as alpha release level in [2]. I propose to change it to beta. We have beta criterion "The network installation image, DVD image, and live images for release-blocking desktops must meet current size requirements" for this.
[1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_Mediakit_ISO_Size [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Installation_Test
Petr Schindler <pschindl <at> redhat.com> writes:
Test case [1] is marked as alpha release level in [2]. I propose to change it
to beta. We have beta criterion
"The network installation image, DVD image, and live images for
release-blocking desktops must meet
current size requirements" for this.
[1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_Mediakit_ISO_Size [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Installation_Test
I'd prefer that this test be left at alpha level, since if it fails, then anyone who needs to use the corresponding media is blocked from any other testing as well. There's also the issue that having to reduce the size of the image at a later point runs the risk of causing further problems in deciding what to cut. If some media are considered less important than others, maybe there could be separate size tests for the different media.
On Mon, 2012-01-30 at 20:40 +0000, Andre Robatino wrote:
Petr Schindler <pschindl <at> redhat.com> writes:
Test case [1] is marked as alpha release level in [2]. I propose to change it
to beta. We have beta criterion
"The network installation image, DVD image, and live images for
release-blocking desktops must meet
current size requirements" for this.
[1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_Mediakit_ISO_Size [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Installation_Test
I'd prefer that this test be left at alpha level, since if it fails, then anyone who needs to use the corresponding media is blocked from any other testing as well. There's also the issue that having to reduce the size of the image at a later point runs the risk of causing further problems in deciding what to cut. If some media are considered less important than others, maybe there could be separate size tests for the different media.
We made this Beta not Alpha in the criteria on purpose, specifically because we don't think it's a significant enough problem if the lives are over-size at Alpha stage. It *may* be worth requiring at least the DVD to meet size requirements at Alpha size, although even if it's over, you can still test it in a VM or with a USB stick. I definitely think we shouldn't make the live sizes mandatory at Alpha.
From: "Adam Williamson" awilliam@redhat.com To: "For testing and quality assurance of Fedora releases" test@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 1:52:49 AM Subject: Re: Change of release level of Mediakit ISO Size test case
On Mon, 2012-01-30 at 20:40 +0000, Andre Robatino wrote:
Petr Schindler <pschindl <at> redhat.com> writes:
Test case [1] is marked as alpha release level in [2]. I propose to change it
to beta. We have beta criterion
"The network installation image, DVD image, and live images for
release-blocking desktops must meet
current size requirements" for this.
[1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_Mediakit_ISO_Size [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Installation_Test
I'd prefer that this test be left at alpha level, since if it fails, then anyone who needs to use the corresponding media is blocked from any other testing as well. There's also the issue that having to reduce the size of the image at a later point runs the risk of causing further problems in deciding what to cut. If some media are considered less important than others, maybe there could be separate size tests for the different media.
We made this Beta not Alpha in the criteria on purpose, specifically because we don't think it's a significant enough problem if the lives are over-size at Alpha stage. It *may* be worth requiring at least the DVD to meet size requirements at Alpha size, although even if it's over, you can still test it in a VM or with a USB stick. I definitely think we shouldn't make the live sizes mandatory at Alpha.
Here I don't know. I test in pre-alpha phase only on my VMs. When I want to boot on bare metal, I use USB stick. But it's truth that nothing new should be added after alpha. So the size of images should be quite the same then or not? Still I think it could be in beta.
On Tue, 2012-01-31 at 11:05 -0500, Petr Schindler wrote:
We made this Beta not Alpha in the criteria on purpose, specifically because we don't think it's a significant enough problem if the lives are over-size at Alpha stage. It *may* be worth requiring at least the DVD to meet size requirements at Alpha size, although even if it's over, you can still test it in a VM or with a USB stick. I definitely think we shouldn't make the live sizes mandatory at Alpha.
Here I don't know. I test in pre-alpha phase only on my VMs. When I want to boot on bare metal, I use USB stick. But it's truth that nothing new should be added after alpha. So the size of images should be quite the same then or not? Still I think it could be in beta.
When we talk about 'nothing being added' after Alpha we're really talking about major features. The package sets on the media can, and do, change. It doesn't happen so much lately, but it's been the case in the past that the Alpha live images were, say, 800MB, because no-one had yet trimmed the package set down to keep them under a CD in size. Then they did get properly trimmed down for Beta or Final. We don't want to block the Alpha if this happens.
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 7:29 PM, Adam Williamson awilliam@redhat.com wrote:
On Tue, 2012-01-31 at 11:05 -0500, Petr Schindler wrote:
We made this Beta not Alpha in the criteria on purpose, specifically because we don't think it's a significant enough problem if the lives are over-size at Alpha stage. It *may* be worth requiring at least the DVD to meet size requirements at Alpha size, although even if it's over, you can still test it in a VM or with a USB stick. I definitely think we shouldn't make the live sizes mandatory at Alpha.
Here I don't know. I test in pre-alpha phase only on my VMs. When I want to boot on bare metal, I use USB stick. But it's truth that nothing new should be added after alpha. So the size of images should be quite the same then or not? Still I think it could be in beta.
When we talk about 'nothing being added' after Alpha we're really talking about major features. The package sets on the media can, and do, change. It doesn't happen so much lately, but it's been the case in the past that the Alpha live images were, say, 800MB, because no-one had yet trimmed the package set down to keep them under a CD in size. Then they did get properly trimmed down for Beta or Final. We don't want to block the Alpha if this happens.
Yes this has been discussed multiple times but ... do we really still care about "omg it does not fit on a CD" ? I mean it is 2012 ...
On Wed, 2012-02-01 at 08:47 +0100, drago01 wrote:
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 7:29 PM, Adam Williamson awilliam@redhat.com wrote:
On Tue, 2012-01-31 at 11:05 -0500, Petr Schindler wrote:
We made this Beta not Alpha in the criteria on purpose, specifically because we don't think it's a significant enough problem if the lives are over-size at Alpha stage. It *may* be worth requiring at least the DVD to meet size requirements at Alpha size, although even if it's over, you can still test it in a VM or with a USB stick. I definitely think we shouldn't make the live sizes mandatory at Alpha.
Here I don't know. I test in pre-alpha phase only on my VMs. When I want to boot on bare metal, I use USB stick. But it's truth that nothing new should be added after alpha. So the size of images should be quite the same then or not? Still I think it could be in beta.
When we talk about 'nothing being added' after Alpha we're really talking about major features. The package sets on the media can, and do, change. It doesn't happen so much lately, but it's been the case in the past that the Alpha live images were, say, 800MB, because no-one had yet trimmed the package set down to keep them under a CD in size. Then they did get properly trimmed down for Beta or Final. We don't want to block the Alpha if this happens.
Yes this has been discussed multiple times but ... do we really still care about "omg it does not fit on a CD" ? I mean it is 2012 ...
It's off-topic for this thread, and it's for the spins to decide for themselves.
OK, it looks like discussion ended, so I've moved [1] to beta release level in [2]
[1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_Mediakit_ISO_Size [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Fedora_17_Install_Results_Template
On Wed, 2012-02-01 at 08:35 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Wed, 2012-02-01 at 08:47 +0100, drago01 wrote:
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 7:29 PM, Adam Williamson awilliam@redhat.com wrote:
On Tue, 2012-01-31 at 11:05 -0500, Petr Schindler wrote:
We made this Beta not Alpha in the criteria on purpose, specifically because we don't think it's a significant enough problem if the lives are over-size at Alpha stage. It *may* be worth requiring at least the DVD to meet size requirements at Alpha size, although even if it's over, you can still test it in a VM or with a USB stick. I definitely think we shouldn't make the live sizes mandatory at Alpha.
Here I don't know. I test in pre-alpha phase only on my VMs. When I want to boot on bare metal, I use USB stick. But it's truth that nothing new should be added after alpha. So the size of images should be quite the same then or not? Still I think it could be in beta.
When we talk about 'nothing being added' after Alpha we're really talking about major features. The package sets on the media can, and do, change. It doesn't happen so much lately, but it's been the case in the past that the Alpha live images were, say, 800MB, because no-one had yet trimmed the package set down to keep them under a CD in size. Then they did get properly trimmed down for Beta or Final. We don't want to block the Alpha if this happens.
Yes this has been discussed multiple times but ... do we really still care about "omg it does not fit on a CD" ? I mean it is 2012 ...
It's off-topic for this thread, and it's for the spins to decide for themselves. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | identi.ca: adamwfedora http://www.happyassassin.net
On Mon, 2012-01-30 at 11:20 -0500, Petr Schindler wrote:
Test case [1] is marked as alpha release level in [2]. I propose to change it to beta. We have beta criterion "The network installation image, DVD image, and live images for release-blocking desktops must meet current size requirements" for this.
[1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_Mediakit_ISO_Size [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Installation_Test
Ack!
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