From: Jesse Keating jkeating@j2solutions.net Reply-To: For testers of Fedora Core development releases fedora-test-list@redhat.com To: fedora-test-list@redhat.com Subject: Re: Up2date replacement Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 10:24:24 -0800
On Mon, 2005-11-28 at 10:19 -0800, Dan Hollis wrote:
It would be nice if there were some repository config manager, which pulled a master "authoritative" list from somewhere and let you select repositories via ncurses/x11/etc. The directory would list the
repository
name, its intended function, its geographic location and link speeds, etc. to make sorting out the whole mess a bit easier.
I have thought about writing such a beast and calling it "yuk" to complement "yum" :)
Such a tool, or such information that the tool uses to get the list of repos must live outside the scope of Fedora. Fedora tools/content cannot link to, point to, or otherwise enable the use of repositories that may include illegal or ForbiddenItems content.
-- Jesse Keating RHCE (http://geek.j2solutions.net)
Anyone can add repo's to yum now in /etc/yum.repos.d. A lot of people do this to add missing codecs from alternate repositories to play things like MP3 files. Last I heard Fedora was supporting Yum. They just don't want to be party to providing links to sites that may have legal entanglements themselves. They leave that up to the users of yum. How would a tool like this be any different ?
On Mon, 2005-11-28 at 12:00 -0700, Don Springall wrote:
From: Jesse Keating jkeating@j2solutions.net Reply-To: For testers of Fedora Core development releases fedora-test-list@redhat.com To: fedora-test-list@redhat.com Subject: Re: Up2date replacement Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 10:24:24 -0800
On Mon, 2005-11-28 at 10:19 -0800, Dan Hollis wrote:
It would be nice if there were some repository config manager, which pulled a master "authoritative" list from somewhere and let you select repositories via ncurses/x11/etc. The directory would list the
repository
name, its intended function, its geographic location and link speeds, etc. to make sorting out the whole mess a bit easier.
I have thought about writing such a beast and calling it "yuk" to complement "yum" :)
Such a tool, or such information that the tool uses to get the list of repos must live outside the scope of Fedora. Fedora tools/content cannot link to, point to, or otherwise enable the use of repositories that may include illegal or ForbiddenItems content.
-- Jesse Keating RHCE (http://geek.j2solutions.net)
Anyone can add repo's to yum now in /etc/yum.repos.d. A lot of people do this to add missing codecs from alternate repositories to play things like MP3 files. Last I heard Fedora was supporting Yum. They just don't want to be party to providing links to sites that may have legal entanglements themselves. They leave that up to the users of yum. How would a tool like this be any different ?
if you package and include that list of repos in a package provided from fedora core/extras then it is contributory infringement
-sv
On Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 02:06:11PM -0500, seth vidal wrote:
if you package and include that list of repos in a package provided from fedora core/extras then it is contributory infringement
Or it may be. Seth isn't, as far as I know, a lawyer. Or judge. :)
On Mon, 2005-11-28 at 14:24 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 02:06:11PM -0500, seth vidal wrote:
if you package and include that list of repos in a package provided from fedora core/extras then it is contributory infringement
Or it may be. Seth isn't, as far as I know, a lawyer. Or judge. :)
I am, however, able to repeat what we've been told :)
-sv
seth vidal wrote:
On Mon, 2005-11-28 at 14:24 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 02:06:11PM -0500, seth vidal wrote:
if you package and include that list of repos in a package provided from fedora core/extras then it is contributory infringement
Or it may be. Seth isn't, as far as I know, a lawyer. Or judge. :)
I am, however, able to repeat what we've been told :)
I didn't think Don suggested anything other than a list of official mirrors. If so, then the followups (mine excepted, of course) seem complete nonsense.
Le's do what we can do, not look for excueses not to do anything to help.
On Mon, 2005-11-28 at 12:00 -0700, Don Springall wrote:
Anyone can add repo's to yum now in /etc/yum.repos.d. A lot of people do this to add missing codecs from alternate repositories to play things like MP3 files. Last I heard Fedora was supporting Yum. They just don't want to be party to providing links to sites that may have legal entanglements themselves. They leave that up to the users of yum. How would a tool like this be any different ?
Because you won't find links to these repositories on anything included in Fedora, nor on any website hosted by Red Hat. We obviously can't stop people from using these, nor would we want to. However legally we can't point to them. Nor could we provide a tool that has pre-existing knowledge of these repositories, nor provide metata that knows about these repositories.
Don Springall wrote:
Such a tool, or such information that the tool uses to get the list of repos must live outside the scope of Fedora. Fedora tools/content cannot link to, point to, or otherwise enable the use of repositories that may include illegal or ForbiddenItems content.
-- Jesse Keating RHCE (http://geek.j2solutions.net)
Anyone can add repo's to yum now in /etc/yum.repos.d. A lot of people do this to add missing codecs from alternate repositories to play things like MP3 files. Last I heard Fedora was supporting Yum. They just don't want to be party to providing links to sites that may have legal entanglements themselves. They leave that up to the users of yum. How would a tool like this be any different ?
Any geek can add repos. If we are trying to create Linux for the Masses, we need to make sure its use isn't too demanding of The Masses. My boss could make a sensible choice between Perth and Tehran, but finding the relevant files so as to attack them with Vim or Vigor would escape him.
On Tue, 2005-11-29 at 06:51 +0800, John Summerfied wrote:
Any geek can add repos. If we are trying to create Linux for the Masses, we need to make sure its use isn't too demanding of The Masses. My boss could make a sensible choice between Perth and Tehran, but finding the relevant files so as to attack them with Vim or Vigor would escape him.
which is why package repositories (such as livna) have an rpm that istalls the repo files in the right places.
Michael A. Peters wrote:
On Tue, 2005-11-29 at 06:51 +0800, John Summerfied wrote:
Any geek can add repos. If we are trying to create Linux for the Masses, we need to make sure its use isn't too demanding of The Masses. My boss could make a sensible choice between Perth and Tehran, but finding the relevant files so as to attack them with Vim or Vigor would escape him.
which is why package repositories (such as livna) have an rpm that istalls the repo files in the right places.
Does that help choose my best FC mirror?
On Tue, 2005-11-29 at 07:57 +0800, John Summerfied wrote:
Does that help choose my best FC mirror?
Thats not what this particular thread of the discussion is concerned with. This particular thread of the discussion is concerned with adding 3rd party repository information into the yum configuration in an easy to use method.
Jesse Keating wrote:
On Tue, 2005-11-29 at 07:57 +0800, John Summerfied wrote:
Does that help choose my best FC mirror?
Thats not what this particular thread of the discussion is concerned with. This particular thread of the discussion is concerned with adding 3rd party repository information into the yum configuration in an easy to use method.
Oh. I thought Don started it, asking about a replacement for up2date.
Rahul expanded on the topic, talking about fastestmirror plugins in yum-utils, and as I don't think fastest is best, I moved the discussion to what the user might see as best (speed only being one consideration, and probably the least importent).
Don's made mention of adding repositories, but so far as I've noticed, hasn't said which repositories.
I've suggested a better way of of maintain a list of official mirrors which might be all that Don had in mind.
So far as I can recall, Jesse, you're the only one who's introduced the notion of third-party repositories, which I don't think is exactly what Don or I have suggested.
Some have responded to your suggestion about dubious content, but I really don't think that this thread is "This particular thread of the discussion is concerned with adding 3rd party repository information into the yum configuration in an easy to use method," except as a side issue.
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