As we lead up to Fedora 8 Test1, I have a set of (i386 only) live images available for some testing based on yesterday's rawhide tree. Both the desktop (GNOME) and KDE images are available. Find them at the usual place (http://torrent.fedoraproject.org) and report bugs found to https://bugzilla.redhat.com
Happy testing!
Jeremy
On 7/26/07, Jeremy Katz katzj@redhat.com wrote:
As we lead up to Fedora 8 Test1, I have a set of (i386 only) live images available for some testing based on yesterday's rawhide tree. Both the desktop (GNOME) and KDE images are available. Find them at the usual place (http://torrent.fedoraproject.org) and report bugs found to https://bugzilla.redhat.com
Happy testing!
Jeremy
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My new Dell 1420 Laptop just keeps rebooting after initrd is unpacking.
On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 21:18:52 -0500 "Justin Conover" justin.conover@gmail.com wrote:
My new Dell 1420 Laptop just keeps rebooting after initrd is unpacking.
This seems to be the same thing that Will Woods was hitting with boot.iso. We think it's something in the kernel, and hoping to try a tree that is built with a kernel that was built today.
On Thu, 2007-07-26 at 22:25 -0400, Jesse Keating wrote:
On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 21:18:52 -0500 "Justin Conover" justin.conover@gmail.com wrote:
My new Dell 1420 Laptop just keeps rebooting after initrd is unpacking.
This seems to be the same thing that Will Woods was hitting with boot.iso. We think it's something in the kernel, and hoping to try a tree that is built with a kernel that was built today.
Yeah, "Dell" seems to be the magic word - I've only seen this behavior on Dell machines. You can track this on BZ here: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=249597
-w
Hi,
my Toshiba Tecra S3 laptop does exactly the same, so it is not Dell-related.
cu romal
Will Woods schrieb:
On Thu, 2007-07-26 at 22:25 -0400, Jesse Keating wrote:
On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 21:18:52 -0500 "Justin Conover" justin.conover@gmail.com wrote:
My new Dell 1420 Laptop just keeps rebooting after initrd is unpacking.
This seems to be the same thing that Will Woods was hitting with boot.iso. We think it's something in the kernel, and hoping to try a tree that is built with a kernel that was built today.
Yeah, "Dell" seems to be the magic word - I've only seen this behavior on Dell machines. You can track this on BZ here: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=249597
-w
Jeremy Katz said the following on 07/26/2007 11:55 AM Pacific Time:
As we lead up to Fedora 8 Test1, I have a set of (i386 only) live images available for some testing based on yesterday's rawhide tree. Both the desktop (GNOME) and KDE images are available. Find them at the usual place (http://torrent.fedoraproject.org) and report bugs found to https://bugzilla.redhat.com
Happy testing!
Jeremy
Dead On Arrival
1) Boot i386 gnome on Dell 400SC 2) Get grub screen 3) Select boot from image 4) initrd loads 5) "Ready" message 5) machine reboots itself
On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 13:38:21 -0700 John Poelstra poelstra@redhat.com wrote:
Dead On Arrival
- Boot i386 gnome on Dell 400SC
- Get grub screen
- Select boot from image
- initrd loads
- "Ready" message
- machine reboots itself
Hurray. Another Dell that can duplicate this. It's like Fedora 7 all over again. This hits boot.iso booting as well from the installable trees, but only seems to hit Dell users.
Jesse Keating said the following on 07/27/2007 01:43 PM Pacific Time:
On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 13:38:21 -0700 John Poelstra poelstra@redhat.com wrote:
Dead On Arrival
- Boot i386 gnome on Dell 400SC
- Get grub screen
- Select boot from image
- initrd loads
- "Ready" message
- machine reboots itself
Hurray. Another Dell that can duplicate this. It's like Fedora 7 all over again. This hits boot.iso booting as well from the installable trees, but only seems to hit Dell users.
It *is* like F7 all over again. I guess you can say it isn't a "regression" ;-)
After handing out a bunch of F7 Live CDs yesterday at OSCON I thought I'd run it at home and compare to Ubuntu 7.04. Much to my shame I found that F7 doesn't boot. The same F7 Live CD kernel panics on my IBM T41 Thinkpad too.
I'm wondering now how many of the people I encouraged to "give linux a try" will simply throw the disk in the trash and move on. I realize there is a note in the CD sleeve to check the website for known problems, but would good is a trial live CD that you can't even get it to boot? ... a major manufacturer (Dell) at that. I don't think most people are going to go to the website to look if the CD doesn't even boot. I wouldn't.
Next time we create a bunch of CDs and DVDs for the handing out I seriously think we need to reconsider not simply going with whatever was GA.
John
On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 13:53:41 -0700 John Poelstra poelstra@redhat.com wrote:
Next time we create a bunch of CDs and DVDs for the handing out I seriously think we need to reconsider not simply going with whatever was GA.
Or next time we shouldn't wait a month+ to get the media made, so that we don't have to make this kind of decision.
I'd sure love to have the bandwidth to do a fully QA'd respin every month that could be handed out at $WHATEVER event happened to be happening in the world that month, so that we'd always be handing out the newest stuff. Alas, that's just not going to happen. 6~ months to do a single release is hard. 6 months to do 7 releases is near impossible.
I'd sure love to have the bandwidth to do a fully QA'd respin every month that could be handed out at $WHATEVER event happened to be happening in the world that month, so that we'd always be handing out the newest stuff. Alas, that's just not going to happen. 6~ months to do a single release is hard. 6 months to do 7 releases is near impossible.
Can we not use the new live cd builder to just whip up a Current Release + updates live CD every so often so that it gets all the latest kernel, boot, driver and random other fixes?
Pete
"Peter Robinson" pbrobinson@gmail.com writes:
Can we not use the new live cd builder to just whip up a Current Release + updates live CD every so often so that it gets all the latest kernel, boot, driver and random other fixes?
The problem is the random other breakage it'd also get...
regards, tom lane
On 7/28/07, Tom Lane tgl@redhat.com wrote:
"Peter Robinson" pbrobinson@gmail.com writes:
Can we not use the new live cd builder to just whip up a Current Release + updates live CD every so often so that it gets all the latest kernel, boot, driver and random other fixes?
The problem is the random other breakage it'd also get...
regards, tom lane
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Yes, I haven't made an installable cd/dvd yet in about 20 tries..... Typing from a live dvd that I just created today, but no hard drive install option on here that I can see.
Can we not use the new live cd builder to just whip up a Current Release + updates live CD every so often so that it gets all the latest kernel, boot, driver and random other fixes?
The problem is the random other breakage it'd also get...
Fair point, the major advantage (but probably the worst disadvantage too) would be a new kernel. EG my housemate's laptop (small acer with an external firewire DVD-RW drive) won't boot. Her response is "Why would I leave XP.... at least it works most of the time". Now I know her machine would work well. Its basically all the same Intel Centrino Core Duo chipsets as my Dell D620, and I suspect even the DVD will work with some of the later kernels with some of the firewire improvements. But she does have a point, one that I suspect a lot of people see.
Pete
On 07/27/2007 04:43 PM, Jesse Keating wrote:
On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 13:38:21 -0700 John Poelstra poelstra@redhat.com wrote:
Dead On Arrival
- Boot i386 gnome on Dell 400SC
- Get grub screen
- Select boot from image
- initrd loads
- "Ready" message
- machine reboots itself
Hurray. Another Dell that can duplicate this. It's like Fedora 7 all over again. This hits boot.iso booting as well from the installable trees, but only seems to hit Dell users.
We're chasing this but it's really hard to figure out. Upstream has some reports of what seems to be the same problem. The next kernel has debug messages that print before each stage of the boot process -- that should help figure out what is going on.