budget.fedoraproject.org open for L10n

[Robert Mayr]

Hi all,
budget.fedoraproject.org has been deployed to production now and is open
for L10n.
It's a one pager, so there are not may strings to work on.
Thanks and happy translating!

-- 
Robert Mayr
(robyduck)

[Remy DeCausemaker]

On Mar 11, 2016 17:33, "Robert Mayr" <robyduck(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
>  Hi all,
>  budget.fedoraproject.org has been deployed to production now and is open 
for L10n.
>  It's a one pager, so there are not may strings to work on.
>  Thanks and happy translating!
>
>  --
>  Robert Mayr
>  (robyduck) 
Thanks robyduck for getting this on the radar. Updating the budget site is
an FCL duty, so If anyone has questions, I can be found in #fedora-commops
on freenode (my nick is decause.)

Happy Hacking,
--RemyD.

[Jean-Baptiste]

Le 11/03/2016 23:40, Remy DeCausemaker a écrit :
>  On Mar 11, 2016 17:33, "Robert Mayr" <robyduck(a)fedoraproject.org
>  <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
>   >
>   > Hi all,
>   > budget.fedoraproject.org <http://budget.fedoraproject.org> has been
>  deployed to production now and is open for L10n.
>   > It's a one pager, so there are not may strings to work on.
>   > Thanks and happy translating!
>   >
>   > --
>   > Robert Mayr
>   > (robyduck)
>
>  Thanks robyduck for getting this on the radar. Updating the budget site
>  is an FCL duty, so If anyone has questions, I can be found in
>  #fedora-commops on freenode (my nick is decause.)
>
>  Happy Hacking,
>  --RemyD.
>
>
>
>  --
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>  
Hi,

Questions :
  * how do we ask to push new translations in production ?
  * is there a global push planned ?
  * why is "arm.fedoraproject.org" a Zanata Document of 
"budget.fedoraproject.org" ?
  * where do we translate the footer text part ?
  * what is FCL ?

I'm sorry some question may have been ask earlier for other websites. 
But repeat the existing processes are good ;)

For information, Zanata link is :
https://fedora.zanata.org/iteration/view/fedora-web/budget.fedoraproject....

bests,
-- 
Jean-Baptiste Holcroft

[Robert Mayr]

>  [snip]
>
>  
>  Hi,
>
>  Questions :
>   * how do we ask to push new translations in production ?
>   * is there a global push planned ?
>  
I don't get your question. Translations are pulled at every build, for
staging and production the same way.


>   * why is "arm.fedoraproject.org" a Zanata Document of
> "
>  budget.fedoraproject.org" ?
>  
Sorry, my fault. It's fixed now.


>   * where do we translate the footer text part ?
>  
The strings of the website are all there. You can look at the catalan
website, they have already translated it 100% (that's really awesome!!!)
https://budget.fedoraproject.org/ca/


>   * what is FCL ?
>  
You can see a note in the website itself. FCL = Remy :)
"Fedora Community Action and Impact Lead"


>  I'm sorry some question may have been ask earlier for other websites. But
>  repeat the existing processes are good ;)
>
>  For information, Zanata link is :
>
>  https://fedora.zanata.org/iteration/view/fedora-web/budget.fedoraproject....
>
>  bests,
>  --
>  Jean-Baptiste Holcroft
>  --
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>  trans(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
>  http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/[e-mail] 

We still didn't do the markup for the tables, there will be some changes,
and as soon as we are done with it we will push the strings to zanata.
Kind regards.

-- 
Robert Mayr
(robyduck)

[Jean-Baptiste]

Thanks for answers.

About first question : when are build done ? Is there a schedule or is it when you decide
to ? Can you please describe the process ?

Le 12 mars 2016 11:25:11 UTC+01:00, Robert Mayr <robyduck(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; a écrit
:
> >
> > [snip]
> >
> >
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Questions :
> >  * how do we ask to push new translations in production ?
> >  * is there a global push planned ?
> >
>
> I don't get your question. Translations are pulled at every build, for
> staging and production the same way.
>
>
> >  * why is "arm.fedoraproject.org" a Zanata Document of "
> > budget.fedoraproject.org" ?
> >
>
> Sorry, my fault. It's fixed now.
>
>
> >  * where do we translate the footer text part ?
> >
>
> The strings of the website are all there. You can look at the catalan
> website, they have already translated it 100% (that's really
> awesome!!!)
> https://budget.fedoraproject.org/ca/
>
>
> >  * what is FCL ?
> >
>
> You can see a note in the website itself. FCL = Remy :)
> "Fedora Community Action and Impact Lead"
>
>
> >
> > I'm sorry some question may have been ask earlier for other websites.
> But
> > repeat the existing processes are good ;)
> >
> > For information, Zanata link is :
> >
> >
> https://fedora.zanata.org/iteration/view/fedora-web/budget.fedoraproject....
> >
> > bests,
> > --
> > Jean-Baptiste Holcroft
> > --
> > trans mailing list
> > trans(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> >
> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/[e-mail]
>
>
> We still didn't do the markup for the tables, there will be some
> changes,
> and as soon as we are done with it we will push the strings to zanata.
> Kind regards.
>
> -- 
> Robert Mayr
> (robyduck)
>
>
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[Robert Mayr]

2016-03-12 19:18 GMT+01:00 Jean-Baptiste Holcroft <jean-baptiste(a)holcroft.fr
> : 
>  Thanks for answers.
>
>  About first question : when are build done ? Is there a schedule or is it
>  when you decide to ? Can you please describe the process ?
>
>
>
>  
Websites are built hourly, and actually also translations are pulled
hourly. We hope to get back soon to pull only once or twice a day.

-- 
Robert Mayr
(robyduck)

[Jean-Baptiste]

Le 12/03/2016 22:14, Robert Mayr a écrit :
>  2016-03-12 19:18 GMT+01:00 Jean-Baptiste Holcroft
>  <jean-baptiste(a)holcroft.fr <mailto:[e-mail]>>:
>
>      Thanks for answers.
>
>      About first question : when are build done ? Is there a schedule or
>      is it when you decide to ? Can you please describe the process ?
>
>
>
>
>  Websites are built hourly, and actually also translations are pulled
>  hourly. We hope to get back soon to pull only once or twice a day.
>
>  --
>  Robert Mayr
>  (robyduck)
>
>
>  --
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>  
Hello Robert,

There are some issues on the website :

URL is missing on "Budget Numbers", it should be :
  * https://budget.fedoraproject.org/fr/#budgetnumbers

In "Budget Numbers" :
  * Q1, Q2, Q3, Q4 should be translatable.
  * In a perfect world, all "numbers" should respect the language 
typographic rules.

In "The Fedora Budget Process" :
  * The ASCII table have to be translatable. I'm not sure an ASCII art 
will be compatible with translation. It's going to be an eternal fight 
to have the right number of char to make it clean.

In "Regional Delegates" :
  * There is an bug with table header : "{_('Region')}", ...
  * The initials of the three roles should be translatable.
  * Some team may translate roles to improve understanding and the table 
has to be consistent.

Thanks for your help,
-- 
Jean-Baptiste Holcroft

[Robert Mayr]

2016-03-18 7:58 GMT+01:00 Jean-Baptiste <jean-baptiste(a)holcroft.fr&gt;:

> > Hello Robert,
>
>  There are some issues on the website :
>
>  URL is missing on "Budget Numbers", it should be :
>   * https://budget.fedoraproject.org/fr/#budgetnumbers 

You mean the anchor on the title, right? The URL works, anchor should be
fixed now.


>  In "Budget Numbers" :
>   * Q1, Q2, Q3, Q4 should be translatable.
>   * In a perfect world, all "numbers" should respect the language
>  typographic rules.
>  
As I said tables are still to review, but I'm not sure we want to translate
Q1-4, the risk is to have them translated totally wrong.


>  In "The Fedora Budget Process" :
>   * The ASCII table have to be translatable. I'm not sure an ASCII art will
>  be compatible with translation. It's going to be an eternal fight to have
>  the right number of char to make it clean.
>  
Same as above. We will rewrite the ascii table, an ascii table is not
flexible when you have different resolutions.


>  In "Regional Delegates" :
>   * There is an bug with table header : "{_('Region')}", ...
>   * The initials of the three roles should be translatable.
>   * Some team may translate roles to improve understanding and the table
>  has to be consistent.
>  
No, we want to have only the titles translated. The acronyms cannot be
translated correctly, and you find these acronyms everywhere, form Mailing
Lists to wiki and also on websites. You will not understand a localized
acronym.
The markups are fixed now, you should have them also in zanata.


>  Thanks for your help,
>
>  --
>  Jean-Baptiste Holcroft
>  --
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>  
Thanks for reporting these issues.

-- 
Robert Mayr
(robyduck)

[Jean-Baptiste]

Le 18/03/2016 09:12, Robert Mayr a écrit :
>  2016-03-18 7:58 GMT+01:00 Jean-Baptiste
> <jean-baptiste(a)holcroft.fr
>  <mailto:[e-mail]>>:
>
>
>      Hello Robert,
>
>      There are some issues on the website :
>
>      URL is missing on "Budget Numbers", it should be :
>        * https://budget.fedoraproject.org/fr/#budgetnumbers
>
>
>  You mean the anchor on the title, right? The URL works, anchor should be
>  fixed now.
>
>
>
>      In "Budget Numbers" :
>        * Q1, Q2, Q3, Q4 should be translatable.
>        * In a perfect world, all "numbers" should respect the language
>      typographic rules.
>
>
>  As I said tables are still to review, but I'm not sure we want to
>  translate Q1-4, the risk is to have them translated totally wrong.
>
>
>      In "The Fedora Budget Process" :
>        * The ASCII table have to be translatable. I'm not sure an ASCII
>      art will be compatible with translation. It's going to be an eternal
>      fight to have the right number of char to make it clean.
>
>
>  Same as above. We will rewrite the ascii table, an ascii table is not
>  flexible when you have different resolutions.
>
>
>      In "Regional Delegates" :
>        * There is an bug with table header : "{_('Region')}", ...
>        * The initials of the three roles should be translatable.
>        * Some team may translate roles to improve understanding and the
>      table has to be consistent.
>
>
>  No, we want to have only the titles translated. The acronyms cannot be
>  translated correctly, and you find these acronyms everywhere, form
>  Mailing Lists to wiki and also on websites. You will not understand a
>  localized acronym.
>  The markups are fixed now, you should have them also in zanata.
>
>
>      Thanks for your help,
>
>      --
>      Jean-Baptiste Holcroft
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>
>
>  Thanks for reporting these issues.
>
>  --
>  Robert Mayr
>  (robyduck)
>
>
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>  
Thanks for the fixes.

I don't understand about the translation of Q1, it means "1st Quarter", 
that is translated T1 in French for "1er Trimestre". Every translation 
can be terribly wrong, this is locale translation team responsibility to 
make sure it's correct.

I understand the point about acronyms, if you want to push that usage, I 
suggest you add the acronym in the English text and add comment to make 
sure the different teams keep a reference to the English acronym.
I see that Catalan, French, Spanish and Ukrainian teams did the same : 
they translated with no reference to the English acronym.

Thanks for your help.
-- 
Jean-Baptiste Holcroft