Guidelines and objectives about Fedora tools and translation

[Jean-Baptiste]

Hi there,

A few month ago, we created a (wish)list of subjects, related to i18n 
and l10n :
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/G11N/Fedora_24_G11N_Enhancements

As a new contributor, I was a bit confused about the many websites and 
tools of Fedora, because some are homemade others where use as SaaS 
solutions and didn't really know how to navigate from one to another, 
nor understood if translation was missing because the software didn't 
support it or because of the lack contributors.

I made a list of every websites I found :
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/G11N/List_of_Fedora_sites

The status is not very good :
* some websites are not translated (ex : developer.fedora)
* many sites don't have the Fedmenu button to help navigation
* most of tools are not translated

It was pretty much expected, but now, how do we fix this ?

The work is huge, so we need to make a little bit of planning.
What are the guidlines we would like to have for websites and tools ?

We also have to agree with websites teams and infra team and be 
realistic : none of our groups can handle and objective like 100% of 
websites and tools have to be internationalized and translated.

Anyone would like to help me writing and then discussing with #Website 
and #Infra groups ?

Subjects are :
* global guidelines
* short term objectives (2016)
* mid-term objectives (2017)

Sincerely,
-- 
Jean-Baptiste Holcroft

[Michael Hofer]

Hi there,

I absolutely agree on this point. As a new contributor (and not only as 
such) the current situation can be quite confusing.

I think we have to agree on different categories for tools and 
websites. Especially sites such as the developer portal, start page, 
download pages and so on are sites which are accessed by new users 
first. From my point of view, those are the most important ones . But 
as already mentioned by others, it's a lot of work and needs a lot of 
discussion.

I am happy to assist here and might as well contribute some 
translations in German whenever it's a good time to start.

Cheers
Michael

On Wed, 17 Feb, 2016 at 8:17 AM, Jean-Baptiste 
<jean-baptiste(a)holcroft.fr&gt; wrote:
>  Hi there,
>  
>  A few month ago, we created a (wish)list of subjects, related to i18n
>  and l10n :
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/G11N/Fedora_24_G11N_Enhancements
>  
>  As a new contributor, I was a bit confused about the many websites and
>  tools of Fedora, because some are homemade others where use as SaaS
>  solutions and didn't really know how to navigate from one to another,
>  nor understood if translation was missing because the software didn't
>  support it or because of the lack contributors.
>  
>  I made a list of every websites I found :
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/G11N/List_of_Fedora_sites
>  
>  The status is not very good :
>  * some websites are not translated (ex : developer.fedora)
>  * many sites don't have the Fedmenu button to help navigation
>  * most of tools are not translated
>  
>  It was pretty much expected, but now, how do we fix this ?
>  
>  The work is huge, so we need to make a little bit of planning.
>  What are the guidlines we would like to have for websites and tools ?
>  
>  We also have to agree with websites teams and infra team and be
>  realistic : none of our groups can handle and objective like 100% of
>  websites and tools have to be internationalized and translated.
>  
>  Anyone would like to help me writing and then discussing with #Website
>  and #Infra groups ?
>  
>  Subjects are :
>  * global guidelines
>  * short term objectives (2016)
>  * mid-term objectives (2017)
>  
>  Sincerely,
>  --
>  Jean-Baptiste Holcroft
>  --
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>  trans(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
>  http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/[e-mail]

[Matthew Miller]

On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 08:17:51AM +0100, Jean-Baptiste wrote:
>  I made a list of every websites I found :
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/G11N/List_of_Fedora_sites 
Wow — that's crazy. And impressive work just in itself!

-- 
Matthew Miller
<mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
Fedora Project Leader

[Jean-Baptiste]

Le 11/03/2016 22:17, Matthew Miller a écrit :
>  On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 08:17:51AM +0100, Jean-Baptiste wrote:
> > I made a list of every websites I found :
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/G11N/List_of_Fedora_sites
>
>  Wow — that's crazy. And impressive work just in itself!
>  
Thank you, I've received a lot of help from eseyman too about history of 
Fedora ;).

The aim of that list is to show how difficult it is for newcommer to 
understand Fedora sites and to share a commun view on the situation.

The wiki is not the best place to maintain that kind of list, but it's 
better than nothing ;) I assume Infra may have something better, but 
they didn't react yet.

Can we have your point of wiew on the idea of Guidelines ?

-- 
Jean-Baptiste Holcroft

[Matthew Miller]

On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 10:11:37AM +0100, Jean-Baptiste wrote:
>  Can we have your point of wiew on the idea of Guidelines ? 
I'm not sure. :) Can you explain more what these guidelines would be?

-- 
Matthew Miller
<mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
Fedora Project Leader