Mateusz Marzantowicz wrote:
Frantisek Hanzlik wrote:
Kernel Guardian wrote:
After all of changes in Gnome, systemd, user id and of course Fedora leadership, maybe appropriate name could be "Mea GNUlpa" or "Mea Maxima GNUlpa"
I think when in future distros will be 1) some Gmome2 fork, 2) instead of systemd upstart/sysvinit again (or as option in conjunction with), and 3) all will not be drived by NetworkManager, then Fedora will be usable promptly after release again. UID/GID increase is IMO OK, and grub2 implementation will be sufficiently good soon.
Franta
What is wrong with systemd? This project needs some more attention from developers but why do you think that upstart is better? sysvinit is becoming obsolete, now in 2012! Maybe Fedora developers should make some tweaks in systemd but I really like this project.
Systemd should be default init as early as in Fedora 14 - and soon will be released Fedora 17 and here are still lot of problems and Bugzilla is full of them. Yes, I hope too that evolve to something useful and mainly stable - because I need work on Linux PC, not endlessly debug it. And regards sysvinit - why should be obsolete? Its history is long - but because did his work perfectly and was absolutely stable - and this is important now as well. Personally, systemd may have some benefit on desktops, but at servers, small and embedded devices is perhaps overkill. At my i686 system i see systemd use 12MB/8.2MB virtual/resident memory - only several services (clamd, apache, bind, slapd) has bigger memory consumption. And sysvinit on Fedora 5 i686 use only 2MB/0.6MB virtual/resident memory - and system is for years rock stable and does all what is needed. And is completely insensitive for me, if this system will boot by several seconds faster or not - system/vga/RAID bioses on it initializes much longer than Linux start. And another things, important from administrative aspect: syntax for old sysvinit scripts is far simpler, flexible and ergomomical in comparison with systemctl syntax.
But back to $SUBJ - i personally hope that "Mea_culpes" in Fedora we have with F15/16 just away and in future there will be fewer such unbaked and buggy projects. (Yeah, I remember yet as I tried sssd in Fedora14 - after several months with locks, memory/descriptor/whatsever leaks I finally wiped it;). Franta