2:09 p.m.
One of my F38 machines has taken to demanding that I login over
and over. I want not to have to login at all. (I'm the sole user, and at
home.) Fwiw, I'm running xscreensaver under Mate. Where and how do I
reconfigure?
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3:43 p.m.
On Mon, 28 Aug 2023 19:09:43 -0000 (UTC)
Beartooth <Beartooth(a)comcast.net> wrote:
One of my F38 machines has taken to demanding that I login
over and over. I want not to have to login at all. (I'm the sole
user, and at home.) Fwiw, I'm running popup is not working at the
moment, but if you under Mate. Where and how do I reconfigure?
My xscreensaver popup is not working at the moment, but if you poke
around you will find a configuration option to solve your problem.
3:58 p.m.
Date: Monday, August 28, 2023 19:09:43 +0000
From: Beartooth <Beartooth(a)comcast.net>
One of my F38 machines has taken to demanding that I login over
and over. I want not to have to login at all. (I'm the sole user,
and at home.) Fwiw, I'm running xscreensaver under Mate. Where and
how do I reconfigure?
On the screensaver configuration screen (under the
"system/preferences/look and feel/screensaver" pulldown) there's a
"lock screen when screensaver active" checkbox. I suspect that if you
uncheck that you'll get the action you desire.
9:44 a.m.
On Mon, 28 Aug 2023 20:58:47 +0000, Richard wrote:
> Date: Monday, August 28, 2023 19:09:43 +0000 From: Beartooth
> <Beartooth(a)comcast.net>
>
> One of my F38 machines has taken to demanding that I login over
> and over. I want not to have to login at all. (I'm the sole user, and
> at home.) Fwiw, I'm running xscreensaver under Mate. Where and how do
> I reconfigure?
On the screensaver configuration screen (under the
"system/preferences/look and feel/screensaver" pulldown) there's a
"lock
screen when screensaver active" checkbox. I suspect that if you uncheck
that you'll get the action you desire.
I always do that; and yes, I've checked it twice in the last
couple minutes. What's more, I've tried it with and without a zero in the
"number of minutes" box.
And, btw, it's been doing this through more than one change of
kernel with following reboot.
Istr there's an applet somewhere actually called "login" or
something to that effect. I *think* it does other things; it might also
include a choice of when and whether to log the user out. But I haven't
managed to find it. :-(
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11:44 a.m.
On 8/29/23 07:44, Beartooth wrote:
On Mon, 28 Aug 2023 20:58:47 +0000, Richard wrote:
>> Date: Monday, August 28, 2023 19:09:43 +0000 From: Beartooth
>> <Beartooth(a)comcast.net>
>>
>> One of my F38 machines has taken to demanding that I login over
>> and over. I want not to have to login at all. (I'm the sole user, and
>> at home.) Fwiw, I'm running xscreensaver under Mate. Where and how do
>> I reconfigure?
>
> On the screensaver configuration screen (under the
> "system/preferences/look and feel/screensaver" pulldown) there's a
"lock
> screen when screensaver active" checkbox. I suspect that if you uncheck
> that you'll get the action you desire.
I always do that; and yes, I've checked it twice in the last
couple minutes. What's more, I've tried it with and without a zero in the
"number of minutes" box.
And, btw, it's been doing this through more than one change of
kernel with following reboot.
Istr there's an applet somewhere actually called "login" or
something to that effect. I *think* it does other things; it might also
include a choice of when and whether to log the user out. But I haven't
managed to find it. :-(
You're looking for the "greeter".
1:56 p.m.
On Tue, 29 Aug 2023 09:44:16 -0700, Mike Wright wrote:
On 8/29/23 07:44, Beartooth wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Aug 2023 20:58:47 +0000, Richard wrote:
>
>>> Date: Monday, August 28, 2023 19:09:43 +0000 From: Beartooth
>>> <Beartooth(a)comcast.net>
>>>
>>> One of my F38 machines has taken to demanding that I login over
>>> and over. I want not to have to login at all. (I'm the sole user, and
>>> at home.) Fwiw, I'm running xscreensaver under Mate. Where and how
>>> do I reconfigure?
>>
>> On the screensaver configuration screen (under the
>> "system/preferences/look and feel/screensaver" pulldown) there's a
>> "lock screen when screensaver active" checkbox. I suspect that if you
>> uncheck that you'll get the action you desire.
>
> I always do that; and yes, I've checked it twice in the last
> couple minutes. What's more, I've tried it with and without a zero in
> the "number of minutes" box.
>
> And, btw, it's been doing this through more than one change of
> kernel with following reboot.
>
> Istr there's an applet somewhere actually called "login" or
> something to that effect. I *think* it does other things; it might also
> include a choice of when and whether to log the user out. But I haven't
> managed to find it. :-(
You're looking for the "greeter".
My search function got something like a couple dozen hits.
10:48 p.m.
Beartooth <Beartooth(a)comcast.net>
> One of my F38 machines has taken to demanding that I login over
> and over. I want not to have to login at all. (I'm the sole user,
> and at home.) Fwiw, I'm running xscreensaver under Mate. Where and
> how do I reconfigure?
Richard:
On the screensaver configuration screen (under the
"system/preferences/look and feel/screensaver" pulldown) there's a
"lock screen when screensaver active" checkbox. I suspect that if you
uncheck that you'll get the action you desire.
I think *that* screensaver menu item would call up the preferences for
the mate screensavers. I think xscreensaver might use a separate
configurator, unless the mate one ropes in other available ones, too.
I do recall that, in the past, having more than one set installed did
cause problems for that kind of reason (separate control and
configuration).
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1:59 p.m.
On Wed, 30 Aug 2023 13:18:40 +0930, Tim via users wrote:
Beartooth <Beartooth(a)comcast.net>
>> One of my F38 machines has taken to demanding that I login over and
>> over. I want not to have to login at all. (I'm the sole user, and at
>> home.) Fwiw, I'm running xscreensaver under Mate. Where and how do I
>> reconfigure?
Richard:
> On the screensaver configuration screen (under the
> "system/preferences/look and feel/screensaver" pulldown) there's a
> "lock screen when screensaver active" checkbox. I suspect that if you
> uncheck that you'll get the action you desire.
I think *that* screensaver menu item would call up the preferences for
the mate screensavers. I think xscreensaver might use a separate
configurator, unless the mate one ropes in other available ones, too.
I do recall that, in the past, having more than one set installed did
cause problems for that kind of reason (separate control and
configuration).
But I uninstall whichever one I'm not using, so that the one I do
use has a clear field.
10:50 p.m.
On Mon, 2023-08-28 at 19:09 +0000, Beartooth wrote:
One of my F38 machines has taken to demanding that I login over
and over. I want not to have to login at all. (I'm the sole user, and at
home.) Fwiw, I'm running xscreensaver under Mate. Where and how do I
reconfigure?
I 'spose we should confirm, do you mean the screen saver is kicking in
and you have to unlock it. Or are you getting logged out?
Some xscreensavers were known to crash the display.
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10:36 a.m.
On Wed, 30 Aug 2023 13:20:50 +0930, Tim via users wrote:
On Mon, 2023-08-28 at 19:09 +0000, Beartooth wrote:
> One of my F38 machines has taken to demanding that I login over and
> over. I want not to have to login at all. (I'm the sole user, and at
> home.) Fwiw, I'm running xscreensaver under Mate. Where and how do I
> reconfigure?
I 'spose we should confirm, do you mean the screen saver is kicking in
and you have to unlock it. Or are you getting logged out?
I'm actually getting logged out; I have to give my username (id
est, confirm the default) and type my password every time.
Some xscreensavers were known to crash the display.
I've never seen that happen.
My practice after installing every new release has been to tell
dnf first to remove mate-screensaver and then to install xscreensaver. The
latter is still working fine on the other two machines in front of me.
I've just reversed that: told dnf to install mate-screensaver and
remove xscreensaver. I found out immediately that the former doesn't let
me manage my screen in any of the ways I want.
Would it help to reboot? Could there be a problem with my KVM
switch??
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4:53 p.m.
On 2023-08-30 08:36, Beartooth wrote:
On Wed, 30 Aug 2023 13:20:50 +0930, Tim via users wrote:
> On Mon, 2023-08-28 at 19:09 +0000, Beartooth wrote:
>> One of my F38 machines has taken to demanding that I login over and
>> over. I want not to have to login at all. (I'm the sole user, and at
>> home.) Fwiw, I'm running xscreensaver under Mate. Where and how do I
>> reconfigure?
>
> I 'spose we should confirm, do you mean the screen saver is kicking in
> and you have to unlock it. Or are you getting logged out?
I'm actually getting logged out; I have to give my username (id
est, confirm the default) and type my password every time.
Are you getting logged out or is it switching to the chooser?
After you login, are applications still open or are you starting from
what would be a normal initial login state?
2:04 p.m.
On Wed, 30 Aug 2023 14:53:05 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> I'm actually getting logged out; I have to give my username
(id
> est, confirm the default) and type my password every time.
Are you getting logged out or is it switching to the chooser?
After you login, are applications still open or are you starting from
what would be a normal initial login state?
Oho! I may easily be misapprised of the terms. It hasn't happened
today (still on the machine with the problem, but only matescreensaver
installed), but iirc they're still open.
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2:31 a.m.
On 8/31/23 12:04, Beartooth wrote:
On Wed, 30 Aug 2023 14:53:05 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:
>> I'm actually getting logged out; I have to give my username (id
>> est, confirm the default) and type my password every time.
>
> Are you getting logged out or is it switching to the chooser?
> After you login, are applications still open or are you starting from
> what would be a normal initial login state?
Oho! I may easily be misapprised of the terms. It hasn't happened
today (still on the machine with the problem, but only matescreensaver
installed), but iirc they're still open.
Then when it happens, try switching consoles with CTRL-ALT-F1, F2, F3
and see what you find.
4:55 p.m.
Date: Wednesday, August 30, 2023 15:36:54 +0000
From: Beartooth <Beartooth(a)comcast.net>
> On Mon, 2023-08-28 at 19:09 +0000, Beartooth wrote:
>> One of my F38 machines has taken to demanding that I login over
>> and over. I want not to have to login at all. (I'm the sole user,
>> and at home.) Fwiw, I'm running xscreensaver under Mate. Where
>> and how do I reconfigure?
I'm actually getting logged out; I have to give my username (id
est, confirm the default) and type my password every time.
My practice after installing every new release has been to tell
dnf first to remove mate-screensaver and then to install
xscreensaver. The latter is still working fine on the other two
machines in front of me.
I've just reversed that: told dnf to install mate-screensaver and
remove xscreensaver. I found out immediately that the former
doesn't let me manage my screen in any of the ways I want.
Would it help to reboot? Could there be a problem with my KVM
switch??
Your initial message seemed to imply that you thought this was
related to Mate, hence my screensaver config reply.
Given your additional information, this may be related to:
Automatically Logout Inactive Users From Linux System
<https://linuxhandbook.com/auto-logout-linux/>
Why Unix automatically logs you out
<https://kb.iu.edu/d/ajgy>
To deal with this I have (as shown in the second reference) a "set
autologout=off" line in my .cshrc.
Not certain why this behavior would have changed for you - unless you
are logging in differently or your shell startup script changed.
7:12 p.m.
On 08/30/2023 03:55 PM, Richard wrote:
Automatically Logout Inactive Users From Linux System
<https://linuxhandbook.com/auto-logout-linux/>
That only closes inactive terminal sessions, not a GUI.
6:20 p.m.
Tim:
> I 'spose we should confirm, do you mean the screen saver is
kicking in
> and you have to unlock it. Or are you getting logged out?
Beartooth
I'm actually getting logged out; I have to give my username (id
est, confirm the default) and type my password every time.
> Some xscreensavers were known to crash the display.
I've never seen that happen.
Well, the behaviour you've described is exactly the kind of thing that
happened when they crashed. Then X would restart and you'd have to log
in again.
It was usually just one or two of them that did it, and if people had
xscreensavers set to pick one at random, rather than always use the
same one, they'd get a surprise crash every now and then.
Screen savers that have locked the screen just ask you to re-enter your
password, the username field is unchangeable from your own name.
I'd say, on the problem machine, try just picking a blank screen
option, no other ones, and see if you still get the log outs.
My practice after installing every new release has been to tell
dnf first to remove mate-screensaver and then to install xscreensaver. The
latter is still working fine on the other two machines in front of me.
Same hardware? Same installs?
I've just reversed that: told dnf to install mate-screensaver
and
remove xscreensaver. I found out immediately that the former doesn't let
me manage my screen in any of the ways I want.
Would it help to reboot? Could there be a problem with my KVM
switch??
A reboot may help if you've done various installs, etc. This doesn't
sound like a KVM issue.
I'm yet to try 38, but I am using mate on Fedora and CentOS, and its
screen savers. The options have always been an adjustable time delay
for how long before considering the computer idle, an option to
activate the screen saver then, an option to lock the screen then.
And, of course, which screen saver you'd like to use. Then, there's a
button bringing up power management, with time delay options for
putting the whole computer to sleep when inactive, time delay options
for putting the display to sleep when inactive, and dimming the display
by a selectable amount when idle.
Mostly the same options as any screen saver, I don't recall
xscreensaver having other options, just more choices about what the
screensavers look like. Though since I just blank the screen, I don't
need anything fancy.
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On Wed, Aug 30, 2023 at 12:37 PM Beartooth <Beartooth(a)comcast.net> wrote:
On Wed, 30 Aug 2023 13:20:50 +0930, Tim via users wrote:
> On Mon, 2023-08-28 at 19:09 +0000, Beartooth wrote:
>> One of my F38 machines has taken to demanding that I login over and
>> over. I want not to have to login at all. (I'm the sole user, and at
>> home.) Fwiw, I'm running xscreensaver under Mate. Where and how do I
>> reconfigure?
>
> I 'spose we should confirm, do you mean the screen saver is kicking in
> and you have to unlock it. Or are you getting logged out?
I'm actually getting logged out; I have to give my username (id
est, confirm the default) and type my password every time.
Kernel.org has been working clean up power management, see
<https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/power/apm-acpi.html>;. Buggy
ACPI implementations have been causing problems with wake from
sleep, etc. Some vendors have firmware updates that may help.
Are all your machines the same?
> Some xscreensavers were known to crash the display.
I've never seen that happen.
My practice after installing every new release has been to tell
dnf first to remove mate-screensaver and then to install xscreensaver. The
latter is still working fine on the other two machines in front of me.
I've just reversed that: told dnf to install mate-screensaver and
remove xscreensaver. I found out immediately that the former doesn't let
me manage my screen in any of the ways I want.
Would it help to reboot? Could there be a problem with my KVM
switch??
Easy to test by taking KVM switch out the loop -- there have been
issues with the EDID getting corrupted on resume from sleep.
See: <https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/admin-guide/edid.html>
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2:18 p.m.
On Thu, 31 Aug 2023 11:35:35 -0300, George N. White III wrote:
[....]
Kernel.org has been working clean up power management, see
<https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/power/apm-acpi.html>;. Buggy
ACPI implementations have been causing problems with wake from sleep,
etc. Some vendors have firmware updates that may help.
Are all your machines the same?
They're all running F38 with Mate. One is a Thinkpad, one a
desktop, and one (with the problem) a little thing like two or three decks
of cards.
[....]
> Would it help to reboot? Could there be a problem with my
KVM
> switch??
>
>
Easy to test by taking KVM switch out the loop -- there have been issues
with the EDID getting corrupted on resume from sleep.
See: <https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/admin-guide/edid.html>
Shudda thunka that. I'll try it tomorrow.
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