VDQ finding dnf names

[Beartooth]

	I normally have two or three browsers open. Most have been 
installed for so long I no longer remember what dnf calls them. 

	My wife, who also runs F39, has been having trouble with the ones 
she has, and I have yet to get around to trying to diagnose them. Today as 
a stopgap I tried to install some others for her, using dnf. 

	It couldn't find brave, falcon, opera, nor vivaldi. VERY Dumb 
Question : How do I look up what it calls them?
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[Barry]

>  On 26 Mar 2024, at 16:42, Beartooth <Beartooth(a)comcast.net&gt;
> wrote:
>  
>  
>     I normally have two or three browsers open. Most have been
>  installed for so long I no longer remember what dnf calls them.
>  
>     My wife, who also runs F39, has been having trouble with the ones
>  she has, and I have yet to get around to trying to diagnose them. Today as
>  a stopgap I tried to install some others for her, using dnf.
>  
>     It couldn't find brave, falcon, opera, nor vivaldi. VERY Dumb
>  Question : How do I look up what it calls them? 
I don’t think Fedora packages most of them.
My guess is you downloaded them from the vendor site.
And/or added repos to install and update them from.
Have a look in /etc/yum.repos.d to see if there are obvious .repo files.

Barry

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[Beartooth]

On Tue, 26 Mar 2024 16:44:54 +0000, Barry wrote:

> > On 26 Mar 2024, at 16:42, Beartooth <Beartooth(a)comcast.net&gt;
> wrote: 
 
> >    It couldn't find brave, falcon, opera, nor vivaldi. VERY
> Dumb
> > Question : How do I look up what it calls them?
>  
>  I don’t think Fedora packages most of them.
>  My guess is you downloaded them from the vendor site.
>  And/or added repos to install and update them from.
>  Have a look in /etc/yum.repos.d to see if there are obvious .repo files. 
	Sure enough, my own machine has (with apologies for formatting): 

btth@localhost:~$ cd /etc/yum.repos.d
btth@localhost:/etc/yum.repos.d$ ls
brave-browser-rpm-release.s3.brave.com_x86_64_.repo   google-chrome.repo
_copr:copr.fedorainfracloud.org:phracek:PyCharm.repo  opera.repo
_copr_phracek-PyCharm.repo.rpmsave                    rpmfusion-nonfree-
nvidia-driver.repo
fedora-cisco-openh264.repo                            rpmfusion-nonfree-
nvidia-driver.repo.rpmnew
fedora.repo                                           rpmfusion-nonfree-
steam.repo
fedora-updates.repo                                   rpmfusion-nonfree-
steam.repo.rpmnew
fedora-updates-testing.repo                           vivaldi.repo
btth@localhost:/etc/yum.repos.d$ 

	So do I have to do it that way on her machine, too, one browser at 
a time? Or can I, say, sneakermail my file downstairs, add it into hers, 
and then do a single dnf install command?
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[Tim]

On Tue, 2024-03-26 at 17:58 +0000, Beartooth wrote:
>          Sure enough, my own machine has (with apologies for
> formatting): 
>  
>  btth@localhost:~$ cd /etc/yum.repos.d
>  btth@localhost:/etc/yum.repos.d$ ls
>  brave-browser-rpm-release.s3.brave.com_x86_64_.repo   google-chrome.repo
>  _copr:copr.fedorainfracloud.org:phracek:PyCharm.repo  opera.repo
>  _copr_phracek-PyCharm.repo.rpmsave                   
> rpmfusion-nonfree-nvidia-driver.repo
>  fedora-cisco-openh264.repo                           
> rpmfusion-nonfree-nvidia-driver.repo.rpmnew
>  fedora.repo                                           rpmfusion-nonfree-steam.repo
>  fedora-updates.repo                                  
> rpmfusion-nonfree-steam.repo.rpmnew
>  fedora-updates-testing.repo                           vivaldi.repo
>  btth@localhost:/etc/yum.repos.d$ 
>  
>          So do I have to do it that way on her machine, too, one browser at 
>  a time? Or can I, say, sneakermail my file downstairs, add it into hers, 
>  and then do a single dnf install command? 
Installing some repos would probably involve installing keys, too.  I'm
not sure if you have to import them first, or if using the repo would
fetch them in.

You can local install already downloaded web browser packages using yum
and dnf, and if the install requires further files, such as libraries,
it should download them.  But unless you have very limited internet,
it's probably more work to organise than just installing them from the
repos over the net.

Rather than sneakernet, if they're on the same network, just ssh over
to one from the other, so you can compare what works on one, and cut
and paste commands between them.
 
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[Joe Zeff]

On 03/26/2024 10:41 AM, Beartooth wrote:
>  	It couldn't find brave, falcon, opera, nor vivaldi. VERY Dumb
>  Question : How do I look up what it calls them? 
Assuming that they have launchers on your desktop, edit the launcher and 
look at the command.  HTH, HAND.

[Will McDonald]

On Tue, 26 Mar 2024 at 16:48, Joe Zeff <joe(a)zeff.us&gt; wrote:

>  On 03/26/2024 10:41 AM, Beartooth wrote:
>  >       It couldn't find brave, falcon, opera, nor vivaldi. VERY Dumb
>  > Question : How do I look up what it calls them?
>
>  Assuming that they have launchers on your desktop, edit the launcher and
>  look at the command.  HTH, HAND.
>  
And those launchers live under /usr/share/applications/ and
~/.local/share/applications/

For example:

wmcdonald@fedora:~$ grep Exec /usr/share/applications/firefox.desktop
Exec=firefox %u
Exec=firefox --new-window %u
Exec=firefox --private-window %u
Exec=firefox --ProfileManager

[Joe Zeff]

On 03/26/2024 10:55 AM, Will McDonald wrote:
>  
>  And those launchers live under /usr/share/applications/ and 
>  ~/.local/share/applications/ 
I don't know about Gnome, but in Xfce, you can right-click on a launcher 
on the desktop and select Edit Launcher.  KISS.

[Jon LaBadie]

On Tue, Mar 26, 2024 at 04:41:33PM -0000, Beartooth wrote:
> 	I normally have two or three browsers open. Most have been
> installed for so long I no longer remember what dnf calls them.
>
> 	My wife, who also runs F39, has been having trouble with the ones
> she has, and I have yet to get around to trying to diagnose them. Today as
> a stopgap I tried to install some others for her, using dnf.
>
> 	It couldn't find brave, falcon, opera, nor vivaldi. VERY Dumb
> Question : How do I look up what it calls them? 
If you know the path to the browser, perhaps /usr/bin/opera, AND have
the repo for it active, you could try the dnf command "provides".

$ dnf provides /usr/bin/opera

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[Beartooth]

On Tue, 26 Mar 2024 15:31:30 -0400, Jon LaBadie wrote:

>  On Tue, Mar 26, 2024 at 04:41:33PM -0000, I Beartooth wrote: 
> >	It couldn't find brave, falcon, opera, nor vivaldi. VERY
> Dumb
> >Question : How do I look up what it calls them?
>  
>  If you know the path to the browser, perhaps /usr/bin/opera, AND have
>  the repo for it active, you could try the dnf command "provides".
>  
>  $ dnf provides /usr/bin/opera 
	I tried "whatprovides" on her machine (and got nothing); is this a 
new version of it??
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[Tim Evans]

On 3/26/24 16:21, Beartooth wrote:
>  On Tue, 26 Mar 2024 15:31:30 -0400, Jon LaBadie wrote:
>  
> > On Tue, Mar 26, 2024 at 04:41:33PM -0000, I Beartooth wrote:
>  
> >> 	It couldn't find brave, falcon, opera, nor vivaldi. VERY Dumb
> >> Question : How do I look up what it calls them?
> >
> > If you know the path to the browser, perhaps /usr/bin/opera, AND have
> > the repo for it active, you could try the dnf command "provides".
> >
> > $ dnf provides /usr/bin/opera
>  
>  	I tried "whatprovides" on her machine (and got nothing); is this a
>  new version of it?? 
Try rpm -qa | grep -i opera

Simple google searches--say, "opera for linux"  will give you links to 
download and install.  You may find repos that contain the things you 
want, or you may need to install manually the old fashinged way, via 'rpm'.

[Samuel Sieb]

On 3/26/24 13:21, Beartooth wrote:
>  On Tue, 26 Mar 2024 15:31:30 -0400, Jon LaBadie wrote:
>  
> > On Tue, Mar 26, 2024 at 04:41:33PM -0000, I Beartooth wrote:
>  
> >> 	It couldn't find brave, falcon, opera, nor vivaldi. VERY Dumb
> >> Question : How do I look up what it calls them?
> >
> > If you know the path to the browser, perhaps /usr/bin/opera, AND have
> > the repo for it active, you could try the dnf command "provides".
> >
> > $ dnf provides /usr/bin/opera
>  
>  	I tried "whatprovides" on her machine (and got nothing); is this a
>  new version of it?? 
It won't work on her machine because it doesn't have the repos setup. 
That's something you would run on your machine to find out where that 
package came from.

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Tue, 2024-03-26 at 20:21 +0000, Beartooth wrote:
>  On Tue, 26 Mar 2024 15:31:30 -0400, Jon LaBadie wrote:
>  
>  > On Tue, Mar 26, 2024 at 04:41:33PM -0000, I Beartooth wrote:
>  
>  > > 	It couldn't find brave, falcon, opera, nor vivaldi. VERY
>  > > Dumb
>  > > Question : How do I look up what it calls them?
>  > 
>  > If you know the path to the browser, perhaps /usr/bin/opera, AND
>  > have
>  > the repo for it active, you could try the dnf command "provides".
>  > 
>  > $ dnf provides /usr/bin/opera
>  
>  	I tried "whatprovides" on her machine (and got nothing); is
>  this a 
>  new version of it?? 
'--whatprovides' is an option to the 'rpm' command, not 'dnf.

poc

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Tue, 2024-03-26 at 15:31 -0400, Jon LaBadie wrote:
>  On Tue, Mar 26, 2024 at 04:41:33PM -0000, Beartooth wrote:
>  > 
>  > 	I normally have two or three browsers open. Most have been
>  > installed for so long I no longer remember what dnf calls them.
>  > 
>  > 	My wife, who also runs F39, has been having trouble with
>  > the ones
>  > she has, and I have yet to get around to trying to diagnose them.
>  > Today as
>  > a stopgap I tried to install some others for her, using dnf.
>  > 
>  > 	It couldn't find brave, falcon, opera, nor vivaldi. VERY
>  > Dumb
>  > Question : How do I look up what it calls them?
>  
>  If you know the path to the browser, perhaps /usr/bin/opera, AND have
>  the repo for it active, you could try the dnf command "provides".
>  
>  $ dnf provides /usr/bin/opera 
A while back I wrote a little script:
   $ cat bin/whats
   #!/bin/bash
   # Identify what package $1 is from, if any
   
   if [ $# -ne 1 ]; then
           echo "Usage: whats arg"
           exit
   fi
   if ! bin=$(which "$1" 2> /dev/null); then
           if ! [ -e "$1" ] ; then # Maybe it's a file
                   echo "$1" not found
                   exit
           fi
           bin="$1"
   fi
   cand=$(rpm -qf "$bin" 2> /dev/null)
   if echo "$cand" | grep "not owned" > /dev/null 2>&1;
then
           file "$bin"
   #       echo No idea
           exit
   fi
   rpm -qi "$cand"

So 'whats opera' would give the package info for the command, assuming
it's installed.

poc

[Tim]

On Tue, 2024-03-26 at 16:41 +0000, Beartooth wrote:
>          I normally have two or three browsers open. Most have been 
>  installed for so long I no longer remember what dnf calls them. 
>  
>          My wife, who also runs F39, has been having trouble with the ones 
>  she has, and I have yet to get around to trying to diagnose them. Today as 
>  a stopgap I tried to install some others for her, using dnf. 
>  
>          It couldn't find brave, falcon, opera, nor vivaldi. VERY Dumb 
>  Question : How do I look up what it calls them? 
If they are available to directly download on her computer, you could
try:

  dnf search web browser

To get a list of potentially suitable packages.

With various browsers, you get packages like opera-beta, opera-
developer, opera-stable.  Trying to install "opera" doesn't work.  You
may have struck that issue.
 
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