OSM & GPS??

[Beartooth]

	I have a pair of old Garmin RINO 120 GPSs and a gadget to connect 
either of them, one at a time, to my PC, currently running F 29. For 
several years I could run topo map software under WINE -- unfree software 
from any, or almost any, of half a dozen vendors -- but never get any of 
them to talk to either GPS. Now there is Open Street Map, a.k.a. OSM, 
which I THINK runs natively under Linux.

	I have studied forums and followed discussion lists (with Pan and 
Gmane, since most of the content is obviously unrelated to my 
questions).  For years.

	It seems that everyone else is a mapMAKER, and takes mere USE for 
granted. I only want to use it, and only out in the woods or the desert 
or the tooley weeds -- all of which, it seems, OSM does map, despite its 
name. I want to get maps to scale that show things of interest to me 
only, or I hope only -- things like good lunch rocks, and nests, and 
particular trees, all or nearly all off any trail.

	Unlike the OSM regulars, I have no advanced skills in 
cartography, nor EE, nor CS. My skills and knowledge are in unrelated 
areas. 

	All this boils down to two questions. If I install OSM under 
Fedora, will it accept, incorporate, and display off-road and off-trail 
data from an old GPS, either with OSM's own data, or with things like USGS 
topo maps? And if it will, can an ordinary mortal learn to use it?

-- 
Beartooth Staffwright, Not Quite Clueless Power User
Remember I know little (precious little!) of where up is.

[Dave Stevens]

On Sat, 9 Feb 2019 21:37:01 -0000 (UTC)
Beartooth <Beartooth(a)comcast.net&gt; wrote:

>  I want to get maps to scale that show things of interest to me 
>  only, or I hope only -- things like good lunch rocks, and nests, and 
>  particular trees, all or nearly all off any trail. 
on pieces of paper? or in a device? or what? anyone can edit osm online
with a free account, add points of interest, lots more

This might be of interest:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Beginners%27_guide

 Dave

[Clifford Snow]

I would suggest using QGIS. It run great under Fedora. I use Dani's copr
repo for QGIS. (copy of repo below) It's has the latest version, 3.4 which
is very stable. QGIS will natively open GPX tracks. Then you'll want to get
some backgrounds. I would add the QuickMapServices plugin. Once the plugin
is installed, Go to Web, QuickMapServices and open settings. Under More
service, select Get contributed pack. It will load in more than a dozen
backgrounds you can use.

As a personal note from an active OSM contributor, please at least consider
uploading your tracks. Just go to osm.org and select GPX Tracks to upload
yours. If you are willing to put some extra effort, once you've added your
traces, please add your trail to OSM.

When I'm speaking to a group about OSM, I'm usually asked about quality,
which is at least as good, if not better, than the others in large cities.
But for trails, OSM has the most trails of any map service. 99% of those
trails are added from gpx traces from people just like you.

If you need help with OSM or QGIS, please contact me directly.

Best,
Clifford

On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 1:37 PM Beartooth <Beartooth(a)comcast.net&gt; wrote:

>          I have a pair of old Garmin RINO 120 GPSs and a gadget to connect
>  either of them, one at a time, to my PC, currently running F 29. For
>  several years I could run topo map software under WINE -- unfree software
>  from any, or almost any, of half a dozen vendors -- but never get any of
>  them to talk to either GPS. Now there is Open Street Map, a.k.a. OSM,
>  which I THINK runs natively under Linux.
>
>          I have studied forums and followed discussion lists (with Pan and
>  Gmane, since most of the content is obviously unrelated to my
>  questions).  For years.
>
>          It seems that everyone else is a mapMAKER, and takes mere USE for
>  granted. I only want to use it, and only out in the woods or the desert
>  or the tooley weeds -- all of which, it seems, OSM does map, despite its
>  name. I want to get maps to scale that show things of interest to me
>  only, or I hope only -- things like good lunch rocks, and nests, and
>  particular trees, all or nearly all off any trail.
>
>          Unlike the OSM regulars, I have no advanced skills in
>  cartography, nor EE, nor CS. My skills and knowledge are in unrelated
>  areas.
>
>          All this boils down to two questions. If I install OSM under
>  Fedora, will it accept, incorporate, and display off-road and off-trail
>  data from an old GPS, either with OSM's own data, or with things like USGS
>  topo maps? And if it will, can an ordinary mortal learn to use it?
>
>  --
>  Beartooth Staffwright, Not Quite Clueless Power User
>  Remember I know little (precious little!) of where up is.
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OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch

[Clifford Snow]

copr_dani_qgis.repo
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name=Copr repo for qgis owned by dani
baseurl=
https://copr-be.cloud.fedoraproject.org/results/dani/qgis/fedora-$release...
type=rpm-md
skip_if_unavailable=True
gpgcheck=1
gpgkey=https://copr-be.cloud.fedoraproject.org/results/dani/qgis/pubkey.gpg
repo_gpgcheck=0
enabled=1
enabled_metadata=1

On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 2:59 PM Clifford Snow <clifford(a)snowandsnow.us&gt;
wrote:

>  I would suggest using QGIS. It run great under Fedora. I use
> Dani's copr
>  repo for QGIS. (copy of repo below) It's has the latest version, 3.4 which
>  is very stable. QGIS will natively open GPX tracks. Then you'll want to get
>  some backgrounds. I would add the QuickMapServices plugin. Once the plugin
>  is installed, Go to Web, QuickMapServices and open settings. Under More
>  service, select Get contributed pack. It will load in more than a dozen
>  backgrounds you can use.
>
>  As a personal note from an active OSM contributor, please at least
>  consider uploading your tracks. Just go to osm.org and select GPX Tracks
>  to upload yours. If you are willing to put some extra effort, once you've
>  added your traces, please add your trail to OSM.
>
>  When I'm speaking to a group about OSM, I'm usually asked about quality,
>  which is at least as good, if not better, than the others in large cities.
>  But for trails, OSM has the most trails of any map service. 99% of those
>  trails are added from gpx traces from people just like you.
>
>  If you need help with OSM or QGIS, please contact me directly.
>
>

[Beartooth]

On Sat, 09 Feb 2019 14:59:57 -0800, Clifford Snow wrote:

>  I would suggest using QGIS. It run great under Fedora. I use
> Dani's copr
>  repo for QGIS. (copy of repo below) It's has the latest version, 3.4
>  which is very stable. QGIS will natively open GPX tracks. Then you'll
>  want to get some backgrounds. I would add the QuickMapServices plugin.
>  Once the plugin is installed, Go to Web, QuickMapServices and open
>  settings. Under More service, select Get contributed pack. It will load
>  in more than a dozen backgrounds you can use. 
	What does QuickMapServices plug into?  Dnf installed QGIS, and 
also mapnik, which I take to be relevant; but having had my share of 
dependency hell back in the day, I'm reluctant to update anything except 
via dnf. Is that going to make trouble?

	There may be trouble already:

$ qgis &
[1] 12521
[btth@localhost ~]$ Warning: loading of qgis translation failed [/usr/
share/qgis/i18n//qgis_en_US]
Warning: loading of qt translation failed [/usr/share/qt4/translations/
qt_en_US]
Warning: Object::connect: No such signal 
QgsMergedBookmarksTableModel::&QgsMergedBookmarksTableModel::selectItem( const 
QModelIndex &index )
Warning: Object::connect:  (receiver name: 'QgsBookmarksBase')
Warning: QCss::Parser - Failed to load file  "/style.qss" 
QInotifyFileSystemWatcherEngine::addPaths: inotify_add_watch failed: No 
such file or directory
Warning: QFileSystemWatcher: failed to add paths: /home/btth/.qgis2//
project_templates
loaded the Generic plugin 
Warning: QLayout: Attempting to add QLayout "" to QgsPanelWidgetStack 
"mWidgetStack", which already has a layout

>  As a personal note from an active OSM contributor, please at least
>  consider uploading your tracks. Just go to osm.org and select GPX Tracks
>  to upload yours. If you are willing to put some extra effort, once
>  you've added your traces, please add your trail to OSM. 
	I obviously need to learn the difference between a trail and a 
trace. Maybe it's in the matter I read yesterday; absent-mindedness, 
alas!, gets worse with age.

>  When I'm speaking to a group about OSM, I'm usually asked
> about quality,
>  which is at least as good, if not better, than the others in large
>  cities. But for trails, OSM has the most trails of any map service. 99%
>  of those trails are added from gpx traces from people just like you.
>  
>  If you need help with OSM or QGIS, please contact me directly. 
	First of all, thanks a million! That's vastly more than I had 
found, and very apposite. I've been beavering into it.

	Second, goodgoddlemityWOW! I hadn't the faintest notion of the 
incredible vastness of the project. I imagined something like downloading 
a few Coast & Geodetic Service Maps to a GPS a/o a computer -- as I did 
twenty-odd years ago. 

	It's going to take me a while just to digest the idea of what is 
out there, and another while to learn the jargon. "Good Lord willin' an' 
the crick don't rise," as people say in these here parts, I'll be back 
with questions, lots of questions, and I hope more understanding of what 
there is to learn.

	Again, many, many thanks!
-- 
Beartooth Staffwright, Not Quite Clueless Power User
Remember I know little (precious little!) of where up is.

[Clifford Snow]

On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 11:48 AM Beartooth <Beartooth(a)comcast.net&gt; wrote:

>  On Sat, 09 Feb 2019 14:59:57 -0800, Clifford Snow wrote:
>
>  > I would suggest using QGIS. It run great under Fedora. I use Dani's copr
>  > repo for QGIS. (copy of repo below) It's has the latest version, 3.4
>  > which is very stable. QGIS will natively open GPX tracks. Then you'll
>  > want to get some backgrounds. I would add the QuickMapServices plugin.
>  > Once the plugin is installed, Go to Web, QuickMapServices and open
>  > settings. Under More service, select Get contributed pack. It will load
>  > in more than a dozen backgrounds you can use.
>
>          What does QuickMapServices plug into?  Dnf installed QGIS, and
>  also mapnik, which I take to be relevant; but having had my share of
>  dependency hell back in the day, I'm reluctant to update anything except
>  via dnf. Is that going to make trouble?
>  
It shouldn't. Plugins are fetched and I believe stored in your home
directory under ~/.local/share/QGIS/QGIS3

>          There may be trouble already:
>
>  $ qgis &
>  [1] 12521
>  [btth@localhost ~]$ Warning: loading of qgis translation failed [/usr/
>  share/qgis/i18n//qgis_en_US]
>  Warning: loading of qt translation failed [/usr/share/qt4/translations/
>  qt_en_US]
>  Warning: Object::connect: No such signal
>  QgsMergedBookmarksTableModel::&QgsMergedBookmarksTableModel::selectItem(
>  const
>  QModelIndex &index )
>  Warning: Object::connect:  (receiver name: 'QgsBookmarksBase')
>  Warning: QCss::Parser - Failed to load file  "/style.qss"
>  QInotifyFileSystemWatcherEngine::addPaths: inotify_add_watch failed: No
>  such file or directory
>  Warning: QFileSystemWatcher: failed to add paths: /home/btth/.qgis2//
>  project_templates
>  loaded the Generic plugin
>  Warning: QLayout: Attempting to add QLayout "" to QgsPanelWidgetStack
>  "mWidgetStack", which already has a layout
>  
Its possibly a conflict with python installations. I've been down that
road. Now when I install from pip/pip3 I use the --user option.

>  > As a personal note from an active OSM contributor, please at least
>  > consider uploading your tracks. Just go to osm.org and select GPX Tracks
>  > to upload yours. If you are willing to put some extra effort, once
>  > you've added your traces, please add your trail to OSM.
>
>          I obviously need to learn the difference between a trail and a
>  trace. Maybe it's in the matter I read yesterday; absent-mindedness,
>  alas!, gets worse with age.
>  
Use the gpx trace along with imagery to add the trail in OSM. Once the
trace is uploaded, it can be used as a background to add a line feature to
OSM. Using the browser based editor, iD, select the line feature to add
your trail. Tag the line as highway=path + a name= if its named. A gpx
trace from a consumer grade device can easily be off by 3 meters - if not
more.  By using imagery along with the gpx the trail can easily be more
accurate.

Good luck,
Clifford
-- 
@osm_seattle
osm_seattle.snowandsnow.us
OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch