support term for Fedora 34

[Anil Felipe Duggirala]

I will ask this question here since I didn't understand the explanations I found
elsewhere.
Until when will Fedora 34 be supported? 
Is it highly recommended that I upgrade to Fedora 35 at this point?

thank you,

Anil F

[Slade Watkins]

hi,
>  Until when will Fedora 34 be supported? 
if I recall correctly,
the End of Life (EOL) date is May 17th, 2022. someone else on the list can correct me if I
am wrong though.

>  Is it highly recommended that I upgrade to Fedora 35 at this point?
would worry about it closer to EOL. 

best,
slade

[Matthew Miller]

On Tue, Jan 04, 2022 at 06:11:24PM -0500, Anil Felipe Duggirala wrote:
>  I will ask this question here since I didn't understand the
> explanations I
>  found elsewhere. Until when will Fedora 34 be supported? 
Until 4 weeks after the Fedora Linux 36 release. That's currently scheduled
for 2022-04-19, which makes EOL for Fedora Linux 34 2022-05-17.

I'm curious where you found the explanations that were confusing, and how we
could improve them.


>  Is it highly recommended that I upgrade to Fedora 35 at this point?
It's up to you. It's generally the case that when a new release comes out,
the updates to the previous still-supported one slow down to
mostly just security updates. Some people prefer this — one of the podcasts
was even recommending it recently. On the other hand, if you _like_ having
newer, more up-to-date software, you can update.

-- 
Matthew Miller
<mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
Fedora Project Leader

[Slade Watkins]

On 1/4/2022 7:04 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
>  
>  Until 4 weeks after the Fedora Linux 36 release. That's currently scheduled
>  for 2022-04-19, which makes EOL for Fedora Linux 34 2022-05-17.
>  
>  I'm curious where you found the explanations that were confusing, and how we
>  could improve them. 
hi,
for me, it's not necessarily that the explanations were confusing, but 
rather the section on the site itself.

for example: the currently supported releases of Fedora are under Past 
Releases > Supported Releases. even though 36 isn't out yet, it is very 
confusing to see the supposedly most current stable release be listed 
under Past Releases. there are also two other tabs: Development Releases 
and Upcoming Releases that are found above the Past Releases tab.

I guess all of this is to say that it *is* a bit confusing to navigate 
at first with all the different tabs. once you figure out what they 
actually mean, it's fine, though.

just my two cents on that. it's pretty comprehensive regardless.

thanks,
slade

[Matthew Miller]

On Tue, Jan 04, 2022 at 08:06:29PM -0500, Slade Watkins via users wrote:
>  >I'm curious where you found the explanations that were
> confusing, and how
>  >we could improve them.
>  hi,
>  for me, it's not necessarily that the explanations were confusing,
>  but rather the section on the site itself. 
Sorry, which section? Do you have a link? We're working on redesigning the
layout of our docs, so looking at this is timely. :)

-- 
Matthew Miller
<mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
Fedora Project Leader

[Slade Watkins]

On 1/4/2022 10:57 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
>  
>  Sorry, which section? Do you have a link? We're working on redesigning the
>  layout of our docs, so looking at this is timely. :)
>   
yes, happy to help! what I was referring to was the sorting of the sections in the sidebar
on this page: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/releases/lifecycle/

something I came up with last night: was thinking a chart with releases and EOL dates
(like a couple other distros have) might help? including the 4-5 most recent releases of
Fedora as well as their EOL dates in the chart would make digging around just to find the
date much easier.

slade

[Matthew Miller]

On Wed, Jan 05, 2022 at 08:05:03AM -0500, Slade Watkins wrote:
>  yes, happy to help! what I was referring to was the sorting of the
>  sections in the sidebar on this page:
>  https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/releases/lifecycle/ 

Thanks! Yeah, I agree that that's confusing. The problem is that that
document is coming from our Program Management team, and that team mostly is
concerned with the releases we're developing — so current releases are
"old". :)

>  something I came up with last night: was thinking a chart with
> releases
>  and EOL dates (like a couple other distros have) might help? including the
>  4-5 most recent releases of Fedora as well as their EOL dates in the chart
>  would make digging around just to find the date much easier. 
Yeah, I think that's a good idea.

-- 
Matthew Miller
<mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
Fedora Project Leader

[Matthew Miller]

On Wed, Jan 05, 2022 at 11:26:40AM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote:
>  Thanks! Yeah, I agree that that's confusing. The problem is that
> that
>  document is coming from our Program Management team, and that team mostly is
>  concerned with the releases we're developing — so current releases are
>  "old". :) 
Oh! I see Ben has already changed it. Should be live soon. :)

-- 
Matthew Miller
<mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
Fedora Project Leader

[Ben Cotton]

On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 11:32 AM Matthew Miller <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
>  Oh! I see Ben has already changed it. Should be live soon. :) 
Well, once the build failures[1] are fixed.

In addition to fixing the typo, I also de-indented the "Supported
Releases" and "EOL Releases" (thus removing the "Old Releases")
in the
navigation bar to help make things more clear.

[1] https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issue/10460


-- 
Ben Cotton
He / Him / His
Fedora Program Manager
Red Hat
TZ=America/Indiana/Indianapolis

[Slade Watkins]

On 1/5/2022 12:59 PM, Ben Cotton wrote:
>  On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 11:32 AM Matthew Miller
> <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
> > Oh! I see Ben has already changed it. Should be live soon. :)
>  
>  Well, once the build failures[1] are fixed.
>  
>  In addition to fixing the typo, I also de-indented the "Supported
>  Releases" and "EOL Releases" (thus removing the "Old Releases")
> in the
>  navigation bar to help make things more clear.
>  
>  [1] https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issue/10460
>  
>   
awesome! (well, not the build failures, hopefully those are worked out soon, haha!)

thanks to you both for listening and improving it so quickly! :)

cheers,
slade

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi

On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 11:30 PM Ben Cotton wrote:

>  In addition to fixing the typo, I also de-indented the
> "Supported
>  Releases" and "EOL Releases" (thus removing the "Old Releases")
> in the
>  navigation bar to help make things more clear.
>  
Quick note:  The gmane link in that page is dead because gmane itself is
unfortunately gone.  I added this page and the link to the wiki years back
but I am not as familiar with the current process for pushing updates.   So
please fix that link.  Might be helpful to also automatically check for
dead links on docs periodically

Rahul

[Michael Hennebry]

On Wed, 5 Jan 2022, Matthew Miller wrote:

>  Thanks! Yeah, I agree that that's confusing. The problem is that
> that
>  document is coming from our Program Management team, and that team mostly is
>  concerned with the releases we're developing ? so current releases are
>  "old". :) 
Perhaps old could be change to current or extant.

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[Anil Felipe Duggirala]

On Tue, Jan 4, 2022, at 7:04 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
>  On Tue, Jan 04, 2022 at 06:11:24PM -0500, Anil Felipe Duggirala
> wrote:
> > I will ask this question here since I didn't understand the explanations I
> > found elsewhere. Until when will Fedora 34 be supported?
>
>  Until 4 weeks after the Fedora Linux 36 release. That's currently scheduled
>  for 2022-04-19, which makes EOL for Fedora Linux 34 2022-05-17.
>  
Thanks for that clarification Matthew, I guess I will upgrade soon then. I always wonder
if upgrading is as good as performing a clean installation (that's an additional
question).

>  I'm curious where you found the explanations that were confusing,
> and how we
>  could improve them. 
Well, I did a search asking something for "Fedora release support" and
didn't get much.
Then I consulted this site, https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/releases/lifecycle/
That site says exactly what you confirmed (13 months after the release). However I got a
bit confused in the section called Maintenance schedule where it says
"''Release n'' is supported until four weeks after the release of
''Release M+2''". I didn't know if 'n' and 'M'
were the same thing here.

Its all clear to me now though,
thanks a lot,

Anil

[George N. White III]

On Wed, 5 Jan 2022 at 03:44, Anil Felipe Duggirala <
anilduggirala(a)fastmail.fm&gt; wrote:

>  On Tue, Jan 4, 2022, at 7:04 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
>  > On Tue, Jan 04, 2022 at 06:11:24PM -0500, Anil Felipe Duggirala wrote:
>  >> I will ask this question here since I didn't understand the
>  explanations I
>  >> found elsewhere. Until when will Fedora 34 be supported?
>  >
>  > Until 4 weeks after the Fedora Linux 36 release. That's currently
>  scheduled
>  > for 2022-04-19, which makes EOL for Fedora Linux 34 2022-05-17.
>  >
>
>  Thanks for that clarification Matthew, I guess I will upgrade soon then. I
>  always wonder if upgrading is as good as performing a clean installation
>  (that's an additional question).
>  
I use Fedora and Debian unstable for "future proofing" workflows that will
be used on LTS systems.
A fresh install is needed every few releases as "orphaned" cruft that
updating doesn't remove accumulates.
Debian's aptitude has a category for "obsolete and locally created"
packages that catches most of those.

Upgrading generally preserves configurations and "locally created"
packages, so workflows may run on
after an update but need extra work after a fresh install.


>  > I'm curious where you found the explanations that were confusing, and
>  how we
>  > could improve them.
>
>  Well, I did a search asking something for "Fedora release support" and
>  didn't get much.
>  Then I consulted this site,
>  https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/releases/lifecycle/
>  That site says exactly what you confirmed (13 months after the release).
>  However I got a bit confused in the section called Maintenance schedule
>  where it says "''Release n'' is supported until four weeks after
> the
>  release of ''Release M+2''". I didn't know if 'n' and
> 'M' were the same
>  thing here.
>
>  Its all clear to me now though,
>  thanks a lot,
>
>  Anil
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[Ben Cotton]

On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 2:45 AM Anil Felipe Duggirala
<anilduggirala(a)fastmail.fm&gt; wrote:
>  Then I consulted this site, https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/releases/lifecycle/
>  That site says exactly what you confirmed (13 months after the release). However I got a
> bit confused in the section called Maintenance schedule where it says
> "''Release n'' is supported until four weeks after the release of
> ''Release M+2''". I didn't know if 'n' and 'M'
> were the same thing here.
>  
Sorry, those should both be "N". I just can't type. :-) I'll push a
fix for that momentarily.

-- 
Ben Cotton
He / Him / His
Fedora Program Manager
Red Hat
TZ=America/Indiana/Indianapolis

[Doug Herr]

On Tue, Jan 4, 2022, at 3:11 PM, Anil Felipe Duggirala wrote:
>  I will ask this question here since I didn't understand the 
>  explanations I found elsewhere.
>  Until when will Fedora 34 be supported? 
>  Is it highly recommended that I upgrade to Fedora 35 at this point? 
I know this is all sorted out but wanted to give some tips on planning your updates...

If you want to contribute to the testing of Fedora then update as soon as a new release
comes out. There are always a few things that need attention so it is good to have the
"early adopters" in there checking things out.

If you want a little more stability then it makes sense to update somewhere in the middle
of the schedule. That gives time for that early stuff to get sorted out and it is not so
close to the next release that all the developers are stressed out with the new release.
By that thinking it *is* about time to do an upgrade but no real hurry.

Using that method I have been happily running an install that has not been
"Fresh" since Fedora 19.