Pareciera que se estan ahogando con un vaso de agua.
Nadie es monedita de oro para agradarle a todo el mundo, siempre vamos a encontrar
personas a las que nuestra forma de pensar no les agrada, generalmente agradaremos al 75%
de la gente, con eso deberia bastar para cualquiera, pienso que ya no se deberia hablar
mas del asunto, lo que esta hecho, hecho esta, ya no se puede corregir, quiza en un futuro
pueda haber un consenso para que esto no vuelva a ocurrir pero lo dudo, creo que a las
cosas cosmeticas no debe ponerseles tanto empeño, lo que importa es el alma, la esencia de
lo que se esta haciendo, sin importar la mascara que se le pone.
Por favor que alguien lo traduzca al ingles.
Jorge Mario Marroquín
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--- El mar, 3/30/10, Máirín Duffy <duffy(a)fedoraproject.org> escribió:
De: Máirín Duffy <duffy(a)fedoraproject.org>
Asunto: Re: [Ambassadors] FYI Fedora 12 one page release notes. :)
A: "Nelson Marques" <07721(a)ipam.pt>
Cc: ambassadors(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
Fecha: martes, 30 de marzo de 2010, 05:04 pm
On Tue, 2010-03-30 at 22:42 +0100,
Nelson Marques wrote:
> And it does exist as a verb, but since I'm not an
expert in foreign
> grammar. I'll pass the debate.
> Well, doesn't matter if you agree or not, just search
google images on
> O.G.'s and such and you will find it.
I'm not sure how Google Images is a better authority than
Wikipedia,
which you criticized earlier.
> That wasn't exactly what I had in mind... neither it
should probably be
> used in that way. I know GNOME is having a rough time
having artistic
> contributions, as Fedora most likely could use some
more artists. That
> probably would help you in that way, to get a more
accurate perspective
> of factors that would lead more people to join our
project. See it as a
> qualitative approach and not quantitative.
I'm sorry, but it seems I am not understanding you clearly
here - can
you explain then why you propose to set up survey software?
What exactly
would you survey about, and who would you survey?
> > If an Italian in Germany makes a hang loose sign
though....
>
> It was pointed in the "Vatican" context.
Huh?
> But I'm pretty sure that if a
> Buddhist displays a swastika in germany, he might get
problems, while a
> swastika is a 4000 year old symbol for Buddhists and
represents exactly
> the oppose that any german would see it.
And used in a Buddhist context, not interpreted
out-of-context, it is
probably fine.
> It's a common thing on building logos and stuff. For
instance the Fedora
> "blue" would be a great color for Portugal, as it is
the blue of the
> Monarchy and the blue of "Our Lady of Conception",
Queen of Portugal. So
> would be a win. While a purple would probably send us
to the "mourning"
> stuff.
> Either if we explore it or not, doesn't matter, but it
has it's
> relevance and has scientific basis and a whole lot of
studies to back it
> up.
This just doesn't seem useful to me, sorry.
> > Criticizing the photo of Samuele as being
offensive specifically does
> > not set a good tone.
>
> I have not critized the photo, neither the person.
I've criticized the
> usage of such content that can be harmful in a
"flagship" communication.
> It's a first approach for possible new users, those
things should be a
> bit more thinked of.
Yes you did. You said the photo could be interpreted as
supporting
Satan. That's a critique for sure.
> Like no one interpreted Nike flame logo... when it
reached middle east,
> it was chaos and havoc, while in the Western world was
seen as a nice
> logo with lots of studies backing it up. Eventually it
went wrong.
I doubt anyone would interpret Samuele's photo that way,
sorry.
>
> No one can assure that people will be mindful of it.
Though we should
> try to not to commit them.
Being mindful only gets you so far. I think many of us are
fairly
mindful of such things.
> > No, not at all. Rather, I feel like you're
ruminating on an unsolvable
> > problem without providing any solutions to solve
it -
>
> seems a bit ironical. Not nice. We have always to
believe in the
> possibility of the impossible to happen.
>
Curing cancer? Sure, go for it. This? The cost/benefit here
is really
out of whack.
>
> > Why worry about it if it's not a
> > problem? It's really quite a stretch of the
imagination to be offended
> > by a picture of three happy guys laughing,
wearing Fedora shirts, in the
> > context of Fedora release notes, with no
indications whatsoever of
> > anything having to do with Satan.
>
> The horns are usually associated with Satan worlwide.
I'm sorry but I associate actual horns with farm animals,
not Satan. For
someone proporting to provide a cross-culturallys-ensitive
view, harping
on a highly improbably Satanic connotation is really biased
towards the
Judeo-Christian worldview. In China alone, by various
estimates there
are 1 billion non-Christian people, so please don't tell me
Satans are
associated with Satan worldwide. If you want to talk in a
data-centric
manner, then don't make statements that cannot be backed by
data.
> I know it isn't promoting Satanism. But I also know
that some people
> might took advantage of it to launch an attack. That
is a part of
> Marketing, preveting that a brand might be hurt by
something out of
> context or wrongly interpreted. Anyone can actually
verify this easilly
> if they contact the AMA (American Marketing
Association). It's just a
> simple email, they will backup most things I said.
If people want to launch an attack, they will launch an
attack. They'll
find a way.
>
> "Those who can't remember the past are condemned to
repeat it" -
> Alexandre Dumas
>
> Though it's a nice quote, I getting the feeling
it doesn't fit.
> On a personal level I would like to consider
that we are both working
> towards the same goal and not opposite.
I'm done with this thread. Cheers
~m
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