Update notification period change
by Adam Williamson
Hey, folks. So, just wanted to kick off a discussion regarding this bug:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=688305
The default update notification period has been changed for GNOME in F15
from 1 day to 1 week (security updates still get notifications
immediately). This is a change that's come from upstream, the GNOME
design team, who consider it a UI design issue. QA and FPL think this is
at least partly a distro policy issue as well as / more than a UI design
issue, and think we should consider whether we actually want to make
this change for Fedora, and if so whether we should have a different
update period for the pre-release cycle. QA certainly feels that 1 day
is more appropriate than 1 week during pre-release time.
We chatted a bit about this during the blocker review meeting today, but
all agreed this would be a more appropriate venue for discussion, so I
wanted to kick off a thread. :) Thoughts?
--
Adam Williamson
Fedora QA Community Monkey
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http://www.happyassassin.net
13 years
Where to put release notes for existing F15 testers?
by Bastien Nocera
The screen idle timeout changed units (from minutes to seconds) without
the key name being changed.
So if you ever changed the screen idle delay, you'll get a screensaver
starting after a few seconds.
Where should I put a release note to mention this change?
Cheers
13 years, 1 month
Where are my files?
by Christoph Wickert
I have to admit it is not a really technical question and doesn't have
much to do with development, but as the developers of gnome-shell are on
this list, I'll ask my question here not only to get a reply but also to
provide user feedback.
We have been at Chemnitzer Linuxtage last weekend, one of the biggest
community events in Germany. The audience ranges from newbies to real
geeks.
At the Fedora booth we had two Laptops to showcase the latest F15
desktop. The most asked question - regardless of beginner or advanced
user - was: "Where are my files?"
So if you are in gnome-shell, how do you open a window of your home? We
had 5 Fedora ambassadors there, all of them are package maintainers, we
even had the German GNOME translation coordinator with us, but none of
us was able to answer that question in an intuitive way. The only way we
found was to use the search field. Is there no better way?
One suggestion was to have a 'Places' tab besides 'Windows' and
'Applications' that includes the content of the old 'Places' menu. I
guess it is already to late to implement this for F15, so what are we
going to do? Can we at least have nautilus in the favorites?
Regards,
Christoph
13 years, 1 month
Final GNOME 3 Test Day date change: April 21
by Adam Williamson
So, I did try to kick off a discussion of this before, but the thread
kinda petered out. So we discussed it at the QA meeting this morning,
and we decided to just go ahead and move the final F15 GNOME 3 Test Day
to 2011-04-21, from its current place at 2011-04-07. 2011-04-07 is very
close to the scheduled date of GNOME 3 release, which would leave us
with the same problem we had for the first two test days - struggling to
get a big new package set landed and live images built. Moving it to the
21st should make everything a lot smoother. Given the total two week
delay to the F15 schedule that we're working with currently, the final
change deadline for F15 is 2011-05-09; at 2011-04-21 we won't even be at
TC1 stage for Final, so it should be plenty of time to get any bug fixes
in that the event exposes the need for.
Of course, we can still change this again if it's a big problem for
anyone, so please let me know if 2011-04-21 is a terrible date and we
should change it. But otherwise...that's when it's going to be :).
Thanks everyone!
--
Adam Williamson
Fedora QA Community Monkey
IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org
http://www.happyassassin.net
13 years, 1 month
Way off-topic: Meaning of the term "rolling release" (was: Re: Firefox 4 for f14?)
by Christoph Wickert
Am Freitag, den 25.03.2011, 07:55 -0400 schrieb Genes MailLists:
> On 03/25/2011 07:38 AM, Christoph Wickert wrote:
> > Am Donnerstag, den 24.03.2011, 14:48 -0700 schrieb Henrique Junior:
> >
> >> It may sound a little off-topic to this thread, but since we are
> >> talking about bring new stuff into F14 I would like to know the
> >> opinion of you, guys, about the new openSUSE's tumbleweed [1] [2]
> >> repo, that tries to bring to openSUSE some "rolling release"
> >> behaviour.
> >
> > We do have a rolling release, it's called rawhide.
> >
> Thats not really true as I see it - rawhide is more of a rolling
> build than a rolling release. A good rolling release should be a working
> system with a stream of tested updates.
The term "rolling release" does not indicate whether or not something
gets tested. Testing is only possible in a clearly defined environment,
thus it requires (at least some kind of) snapshotting.
> A good example of a rolling release is the kernel release model.
Each kernel release has clearly defined merge window and a stabilization
phase. This is not rolling but exactly what we do with our development.
Regards,
Christoph
13 years, 1 month
nautilus or something crashing gnome in F15?
by Clyde E. Kunkel
Invoking nautilus from Applications or a gnome-terminal crashes gnome.
Don't know if nautilus problem or if elsewhere. No unusual errors in
.xsession-errors except for the nm-applet errors that have been around
for weeks.
Anyone else? Any ideas?
TIA
--
Regards,
OldFart
13 years, 1 month
'restart is required' notification
by Adam Williamson
I just installed some updates with PackageKit in F15, and got the 'A
restart is required' notification. This is currently a child dialog of
the PackageKit window. When the notification popped up, *only* it was
popped to the front - the PackageKit window remained hidden behind other
apps. So the 'Restart is required' child window looked a bit odd, shorn
from the context of its parent window. Is it supposed to work like this,
or should the parent window also have been popped to the front?
(For true polish, I think it'd be nice if the 'restart is required'
dialog were a Shell-y thing like the new PolicyKit authentication
dialogs, but that's really just a side note).
Also, the dialog and PackageKit itself seemed to just disappear after
about 30 seconds or so, I don't have a crash report from abrt so I'm not
sure what happened to it.
--
Adam Williamson
Fedora QA Community Monkey
IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org
http://www.happyassassin.net
13 years, 1 month
Where should Cups-PDF save its files now that we have no desktop icons?
by Jared K. Smith
In previous versions of Fedora, the Cups-PDF package has saved the
PDFs on the Desktop. Now that Gnome Shell defaults to not showing
icons for files in the Desktop folder, do we need to point Cups-PDF at
another folder? I personally find it confusing to have Cups-PDF
saving files to the Desktop folder, but not having those items
displayed on the desktop.
--
Jared Smith
Fedora Project Leader
13 years, 1 month
[RESENT] Commit messages for spin-kickstarts.git
by Christoph Wickert
(Following recent commits I'd like to bring this to your attention
again. When it was sent two weeks ago Jesse suggested to have have some
automagic, but until we have, please do it manually. Thanks!)
A note to all spin-kickstarts committers: Please be so kind as to
mention the ks or the spin at the beginning of your commit message.
Bad:
"Save some space"
Good:
"KDE: Save some space"
"fedora-live*-kde.ks: Save some space" (affects both fedora-live-kde.ks
and fedora-livecd-kde.ks)
Only abandon the spin/kickstart if it is a global change, that affects
all spins.
Most committers already do this, so please consider this only a small
reminder. I am convinced that this will make our lives easier.
Regards,
your spins wrangler
13 years, 1 month
