A very strange problem occurs with fed 15 + gnome 3 beta
by Alexander Volovics
This is probably not the right place to post but I suspect somebody
here can give me a helpful hint.
I have been running the fed15/gnome3 beta on my laptop without
any problems up till now but something very curious has happened.
I cannot boot a live cd on this laptop anymore!
The cd drive lights flash, it makes some noises and then
instead of the BIOS giving priority to the cd drive it seems
as if fed15 just steams ahead and takes control instead
of the distro on the cd and up pops the fed15 bootloader/manager
screen again.
It does not make a difference if I restart or shutdown and
power up again.
The laptop is configured to boot from cd.
The live cd (fed15 + xfce) works perfectly in another pc.
I can mount the cd drive and look at the contents, unmount it
and eject the drive.
The same happens with another live cd (ubuntu 11.04).
Booting a live cd worked perfectly under the previous OS: fed14.
Before I file a bug report I would like to know if I am
overlooking some (configuration) quirk of fed15/gnome3,
something that has changed from fed14.
And if a file a bug, under what system or OS component.
Alexander
13 years, 1 month
No more panel applets?
by Christoph Wickert
I wonder how to add panel applets to the panel in fallback mode of F15
Beta. There is no menu on right click.
If panel applets are no longer supported we need
* an announcement to all packagers
* to retire all applets and block them from F15 and rawhide
* gnome-panel properly obsolete the retired packages
* to have this documented in the release notes
Did I forget something?
Regards,
Christoph
13 years, 1 month
fed 15 + gnome 3 works nice, but ...
by Alexander Volovics
I have been reading some posts here and see that I am
pouring oil on the fire so it might be foolish to continue.
But "Who are a little wise, the best fooles be".
Exploring Gnome 3 under Fedora 15 beta.
So far: very nice to work with, great usability, but it could do
with some more configurability options and then it would also
be pleasing to LOOK at. Not unimportant eh.
(I am making the following remarks under the proviso that
I do not know if the standard (upstream) Gnome 3 is
included in Fedora 15 beta and wat Fedora has contributed
to the mix).
Are there any plans to increase desktop configurability in Gnome 3.
For example:
- I would like to be able to change the color of the top bar
The lid of my laptop is a shiny black and the addition of the
black colored top bar gives the desktop an even more funereal
appearance (and makes the bar hard to see/read).
- I would like to be able to REMOVE icons from applications
overviews under 'Applications' in the 'Activities overview'.
First I would like to remove ALL icons from the 'All' category.
* This overview is not really necessary because the same
icons are included under the other categories 'System Tools',
'Accessories', 'Graphics', etc.
* Furthermore given the stupid and unhandy 16:9 laptop screens you
have to scroll to see them all so having all icons available does
not really save time/work.
* Finding a particular icon among this plethora of icons is hardly
easy.
* Given the large size and the sometimes brash colors and
non-uniform design of the icons makes this desktop full of
large blobs not very aesthetically pleasing.
Second I would like to 'prune' the icons listed under the categories
retaining only the icons of the apps I use regularly (possibly
putting some of these 'pruned' icons in some 'Other' category).
- I would like to change the 'top bar' to an 'under bar' and have the
notifications pop up at the top (and why do pop ups and notifications
need to have a black background).
Personally I find these 'wishes' very reasonable and not detracting
from the design and usability of Gnome 3.
I could even understand the need to concentrate on other issues
at the moment but I do think that tools to make these kinds of
changes are necessary, even for beginning and inexperienced users!
PS Who designs/creates the icons/icon themes.
I find the icons (too) big, brash, glaring and sometimes downright
ugly with no consideration for the overall effect. (for example the
'Games' icons).
It would be much nicer if they were created with an overall effect
in mind using compatible colors and forms (say a sleek blue/silver
theme, uniformly applied).
PS If configuration options as specified above or comparable are
planned for updates or Gnome 3.2 then I would be even more
happy with Gnome 3. If not, is it possible to put forward things
like the above as 'suggestions' for the design team and what is
the best possible place for this.
NB I can not and do not code myself.
Alexander
13 years, 1 month
GNOME 3 Test Day #3 recap
by Vitezslav Humpa
The final of the three Fedora 15 GNOME 3 Test Days took place on
2011-04-21.
It drew 23 testers which is little more than previously, while less
original bugs were reported this time - a fact connected to some great
work developers did on GNOME in recent months. Also this time the
final 3.0 packages were included in the Test Day and everybody who
attended the first one could see the difference.
Most bugs were again reported into Fedora bugzilla and a couple in the
GNOME bugzilla. Bugs relate to all parts of gnome-shell and are mostly
centred around standing issues like multi-head configurations etc.
Here is the list of original bugs. As most have already been triaged,
pre-existing bugs and duplicates are not listed.
Fedora bugzilla:
680147 NEW - gnome control-center and gnome-user-share crash on
manually created account
698148 NEW - [abrt] empathy-3.0.0-1.fc15: Process
/usr/bin/empathy-accounts was killed by signal 11 (SIGSEGV)
698807 NEW - Icon disappears when I try to connect to hidden network
699359 NEW - Firefox doesn't respect the desktop's default URI
handlers in GNOME 3
695227 NEW - Notification Area and Window Cursor Boundary on Dual Head
Systems.
698817 NEW - Icon disappears when trying to rearrange on the dash
699422 NEW - There is a non-empty Other category in the Applications
menu in the GNOME3 test day Live Image
698711 NEW - Generic video multihead test failure
699023 NEW - Adding small files fails
698556 NEW - Bluetooth can't find any device
698244 ASSIGNED - app icon exposed in gnome-shell is fuzzy
695222 CLOSED UPSTREAM - Inconsistent Behaviour Changing Virtual
Desktops on Dual Head Systems | OLDER
698585 CLOSED UPSTREAM - Some dragged applications do not work in the
Corresponding workspace
698698 CLOSED UPSTREAM - 12/24 time format doesn't get updated on panel
when changed in control center
GNOME bugzilla:
648556 UNCONFIRMED - Date and Time application doesn't correctly
control the ntpd service
648599 NEEDINFO - System Info -> Default Applications doesn't remember
the changes
As this was the last of the GNOME Test Days, we want to say thanks
to ALL these community members who gave some of their free time and
helped:
Chuck Anderson
Alberto Bonacina
Horst H. von Brand
Mathieu Bridon
Tilmann Bubeck
Pavol Celuch
Mike Cloaked
Stéphane Démurget
Adam M Dutko
Miguel Zúñiga González
Andre Groetzsch
Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
Amir Hedayaty
Michal Hriň
Tadej Janež
Iván Jiménez
Walter Justen
Felix Kaechele
Nicolas Kaiser
Yulia Kopkova
Tim Lauridsen
Antonio Lima
Athmane Madjoudj
Marcus Moeller
Marcus Nitzschke
Scott Olson
Peter F. Patel-Schneider
Armin Preiml
Andre Robatino
Gerard Ryan
Michel Salim
Reinout van Schouwen
Misha Shnurapet
Filip Slunecko
Nathan Thomas
Luigi Votta
John Watzke
Pavel Zhukov
and all the others that I might have failed to put in this list!
GNOME Test Days are over now, but we can still use your help with
Cloud SIG Test Day tomorrow and following QA events tied to
exciting process of final release: desktop and installation
testing of the Final RC's in about two weeks.
Thanks!
--
Vita Humpa
Fedora QA
13 years, 1 month
overshooting mouse accidentally activates overview mode
by Chuck Anderson
After using Gnome 3/Shell for a couple months now, it has really grown
on me. I have one UI annoyance that I wonder if the designers could
comment on. When I'm using a maximized application like Firefox or
Chromium, I often have to move the mouse to near the upper-left corner
to activate a tab or use the forward/back buttons or File menu.
Sometimes, rather often, I overshoot and accidentally activate the
overview mode hot corner. I believe this mostly happens with Chromium
since it doesn't use the standard system title bar, leaving the tabs
and other controls a lot closer to the hot corner. But it does
sometimes happen with standard apps too. I'm not sure how tweak the
design to prevent this from happening, but I'm wondering if this has
come up before and been considered.
13 years, 1 month
Slow leak in Shell?
by Adam Williamson
Has anyone noticed a slow leak in Shell lately? I just noticed it taking
800MB of RAM on my desktop, running current F15
(gnome-shell-3.0.0.2-2.fc15.x86_64). It's been up for four days, but
suspended over night and sometimes when I go out, so it's only really
been _running_ about half of that. I don't have any extensions enabled.
--
Adam Williamson
Fedora QA Community Monkey
IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org
http://www.happyassassin.net
13 years, 1 month
Test Day live images: please check
by Adam Williamson
Hey, folks. So I built live images for Thursday's Test Day, they're
linked from the test day page:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2011-04-21_GNOME3_Final#Live_image
I tested them out and they seem pretty good, but if you have a few
minutes to give them a shot and make sure there's nothing that'd cause
problems for the event, that'd be great.
Also, if anyone has any last-minute changes they want to get in for the
Test Day I can revise the images, but please let me know soon :) Thanks!
The images are mostly current F15 'stable' (after the Beta freeze was
lifted, so all the GNOME 3.0 packages that got backed up are in). I
pulled latest abrt for improved crash reporting (hopefully), latest
kernel for some nouveau fixes, libfprint and fprintd as requested by
hadess, gnome-desktop3, gnome-menus, gnome-themes-standard to resolve
some dep problems in the stable package set, ntfs-3g for another dep
issue, and NetworkManager as requested by Dan for a new feature he
wanted in for the test day. I built 'em on an F15 host this time, so
they're under 600MB.
--
Adam Williamson
Fedora QA Community Monkey
IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org
http://www.happyassassin.net
13 years, 1 month
Why doesn't GTK+ 2 Adwaita look more like GTK+ 3 Adwaita?
by Adam Williamson
Well...see subject. Something I realized had been niggling me when the
(mostly positive) Register review of F15 Beta mentioned it. GTK+ 2
'Adwaita' sure looks a lot like Clearlooks; is there a reason it can't
be a bit more grey/white and rounded, like GTK+ 3 Adwaita? Why the blue?
--
Adam Williamson
Fedora QA Community Monkey
IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org
http://www.happyassassin.net
13 years, 1 month
Heads-up on a polish bug with krb5-auth-dialog
by Adam Williamson
Just wanted to bring some wider attention to this issue:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=688302
I filed it a while back but the maintainer doesn't seem very responsive.
It seems krb5-auth-dialog has some kind of bug which causes it to notify
you that your credentials 'have expired' even if you don't have any.
krb5-auth-dialog isn't installed by default in F15 but it *was* in
previous releases, so anyone who upgrades from F13 or F14 to F15 is
going to see this; it results in a persistent notification in the Shell
which you can't really get rid of, short of removing the package
manually.
I imagine it shouldn't be too hard to fix, but the maintainer hasn't
responded at all yet.
Thanks!
--
Adam Williamson
Fedora QA Community Monkey
IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org
http://www.happyassassin.net
13 years, 1 month
