Julita
I love the energy that you show toward Fedora Project. I can relate to
your position as a power user (but you know much than me), there are
areas that require further specialization to be a collaborator. Like to
be a packager it is need to know several things beside be good at a
programming language. things like git, specs, licenses and also the
procedures within the project. I have been there helping you with
whatever I can. But this time I feel that you are pushing your event
under the name of FAD and you are not paying attention to the fact that
FADs are to solve a problem witin Fedora. Several people have mentioned
that FAD are not public events. So, please help us a bit. You can do
both things but not at the same time. You can make a FAD and you can
make a public event, but you can not have both at the same time.
Best regards
Neville
On Tue, 30 May 2017 16:58:32 -0500
yrazes <yrazes(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,
Anytime I propose a new event or idea for Fedora, I get a -1 on
Saturday meetings all the time, because Alex always asks for a wiki.
For this FAD in Peru I was not included at all since the very
beginning, so I though that preparing a proposal for Lima was a
different project because Cusco was so expensive.
I belong Fedora since 2012, I only attended two Ambassador events,
Fudcon Cusco 2013 and Fudcon Puno 2016 and I did not see real
contribution of people to the project during these events.
In both events, we had Ambassadors with strong expertise and lot of
interested people that would have lead workshops (in my point of
view) to train ourselves or propose better ways to work.
What I do in my events are installations and user interaction with
Fedora such as using the terminal to run basic admin commands.
I dared to express my wish in the FAD Lima 2017 proposal for training
people one day because I have young enthusiastic students engaged with
Linux in Lima that I can not mentor in a proper way since I did not
do a real contribution to the Fedora project. I need the help of you
LATAM, and with the experience, I can later start the Fedora Lima
Challenge (in case you approve it).
My local team is aware of this FAD Lima 2017 proposal because I do not
things alone.
Besides sending options that include the users focus day, I did sent
other there more options without them, that you might take.
In case you want to remove my proposal wiki, is up to you too.
In case you still need a place for FAD in Lima or wherever is going
to be, you have my support.
Communication is very important in communities and more since we have
different cultures. As GNU/Linux leader in Lima, I want to do positive
things, please do not misunderstood my disclaim.
Best regards,
Julita
On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 12:41 AM, Eduardo Javier Echeverria Alvarado <
echevemaster(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> El dom., 28 de may. de 2017 a la(s) 19:41, Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis
> < alleinerwolf(a)gmail.com> escribió:
>
>> Hello Julita, I wrote you: "send me the costs and I put these into
>> the proposal" I didn't say in any time that you should create a
>> new page.
>
> Please, work together, this is the first thing you as a team have
> to do. Learn to don't say "I" and say more "We" it's a
good
> exercise even if you are the only person of a team, this does
> people feeling involved.
>>
>> I am the initial promoter of this proposal and I'm looking for
>> improve and grow the community, since I showed it to the council
>> and famsco I am looking for a consensus between the ambassadors to
>> improve the objectives and agenda but it seems that you intend to
>> impose your criteria creating a new page without asking to others
>> changing the schedule and other aspects as justification, purpose,
>> goals, etc.
>
> I agree with Alex at this point, we want leadership in the people,
> not people attracting attention.
>
>>
>> Finally, as Alejandro and echevemaster says, the main idea for
>> this FAD is work in fedora related tasks and offer solutions, I
>> put few talks to help to get free venue within universities or
>> other places but no as users centric event.
>>
>
> If you guys want to include a user component, you can do the same
> that Nicaragua did for invite people to Fudcon, visit some
> universities explaining how it works Fedora community and why is
> interesting belonging it. but please avoid become it in the main
> goal of the event -
>>
>> El dom., 28 de may. de 2017 a la(s) 19:27, Anthony Mogrovejo <
>> tony001983(a)gmail.com> escribió:
>>
>>> +1@echevemaster
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> El 28 may. 2017 7:01 p. m., "Eduardo Javier Echeverria Alvarado"
>>> < echevemaster(a)gmail.com> escribió:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> El sáb., 27 de may. de 2017 a la(s) 22:19, yrazes
>>> <yrazes(a)gmail.com> escribió:
>>>
>>>> Hello LATAM and bex:
>>>>
>>>> I have facilities to celebrate the event in two private
>>>> universities in Lima such as PUCP and USIL.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for that.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Based on the prices that you can see on the wiki, I think the
>>>> best possibility is PUCP.
>>>> I dared to include outdoor activities to my guests and also a
>>>> public event to train new possible contributors in Lima
>>>>
>>>
>>> This is not a user event, this is a Fedora Activity Day, we don't
>>> will have talks neither workshops, we will work in fedora related
>>> tasks and offer solutions, so, please don't invite people outside
>>> to the FAD. We need be focused.
>>>
>>>
>>>> In case the majority of people do not agree, I also present 3
>>>> more options because I know that I have to reduce prices for FAD.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:Cusco2017
>>>
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:Lima2017
>>> Please remove one of the wiki pages, this could be lead to
>>> misunderstandings
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:Lima2017
>>>>
>>>> Please feel free to comment and tell me how to make it better to
>>>> everyone.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for offering yourself for be one of the FAD organisers
>>> along with
>>>> Alex y Tonet, I'm sure you guys will do great, just join efforts
>>>> and keep the communication to be on the same page.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Julita
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 12:00 PM, yrazes <yrazes(a)gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> OK I will send the proposal for Lima to be the organizer of FAD
>>>>> Lima 2017.
>>>>> It is OK that Tonet could be the Peru representative.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Julita
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 11:18 PM, Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis <
>>>>> alleinerwolf(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Good night, Yulytas, the actual proposal for Cusco is
>>>>>> expensive, the council and famsco recomend evaluate the
>>>>>> posibility to change the place to Lima (the airfares can be
>>>>>> cheaper but the hotel and food will be more expensive than
>>>>>> Cusco) for that reason We need your help to get the prices to
>>>>>> do this evaluation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> About your second question, We need a one representative by
>>>>>> country, specially an influential and active ambassador. I
>>>>>> choosed to Tonet because he is an active ambassador, organized
>>>>>> a FUDCon and has more badges in Peru. You can participate like
>>>>>> observer, I will participate as helper only.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>
>>>>>> El jue., 25 de may. de 2017 a la(s) 18:02, Anthony Mogrovejo
>>>>>> < tony001983(a)gmail.com> escribió:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -1
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> El 25 may. 2017 5:50 p. m., "yrazes"
<yrazes(a)gmail.com>
>>>>>>> escribió:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ok Alejandro, Bex and Lucena.
>>>>>>> I have seen recently the link that Alex just gave me
>>>>>>>
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:Cusco2017
>>>>>>> It seems that everything is already arranged, including
>>>>>>> topics and costs.
>>>>>>> In that case I do not see why I have to arrange a FAD in
USIL.
>>>>>>> Can I add my name on it to participate on July?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> Julita
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 3:23 PM, Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis
<
>>>>>>> alleinerwolf(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello all, I think is a good moment to clarify some
things.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I looked some FAD pages and it's true that these
activities
>>>>>>>> hasn't a promotional component (talks or workshops)
but in
>>>>>>>> this proposal I included a small part of talks to
interact
>>>>>>>> with users and students. The second purpose is to have
the
>>>>>>>> possibility of negotiations with a dean or academic
>>>>>>>> coordinator to get a free or cheap venue for the
ambassadors
>>>>>>>> work and talks to users.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The talks hours are smaller than the other activities
that
>>>>>>>> are important.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> El jue., 25 de may. de 2017 a la(s) 15:06, Brian
Exelbierd
>>>>>>>> < bex(a)pobox.com> escribió:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, May 25, 2017, at 09:38 PM, alejandro perez
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Julita,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Normally FAD's do not have a promotion event.
There has
>>>>>>>>> been two times where FAD budgets where requested and
deny
>>>>>>>>> because they contain some promotional event or time.
That
>>>>>>>>> is why I want to make sure you understand the
limitation on
>>>>>>>>> FAD. It is not up to me to decide if the event will
be
>>>>>>>>> approve, therefore my intention is to consider the
>>>>>>>>> possibility of no promotional event.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't don't know this history, but wearing
my council
>>>>>>>>> hat, I can't see why a promotion component would
lead to
>>>>>>>>> automatic denial.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> However, I would want to understand how this compent
was
>>>>>>>>> good for LATAM or the country or the city. I'd
want to know
>>>>>>>>> how it ties to the mission, if appropriate. I'd
want to
>>>>>>>>> know how it will be followed up or prepared for to
ensure
>>>>>>>>> positive impact.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> However, my biggest concern would be that it be
clear this
>>>>>>>>> promotion won't prevent the rest of the FAD
from
>>>>>>>>> accomplishing its goals.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> bex
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How ever you can do packaging workshops or
translation
>>>>>>>>> sprint (as example) with people that are already
familiar
>>>>>>>>> with Fedora and want to become contributors.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This may work better with the FAD proposal,
specially if
>>>>>>>>> you have some people prepare for that.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Mensaje original-----
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *Fecha*: Thu, 25 May 2017 14:12:03 -0500
>>>>>>>>> *Asunto*: [Embajadores-fedora-latam] Re: FAD
proposal
>>>>>>>>> improvement request
>>>>>>>>> *Para*: Latin American Fedora Ambassadors
<embajadores-fedor
>>>>>>>>>
<Latin%20American%20Fedora%20Ambassadors%20%3cembajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org%3e>
>>>>>>>>> a-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
>>>>>>>>>
<Latin%20American%20Fedora%20Ambassadors%20%3cembajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org%3e>
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> Reply-to: Latin American Fedora Ambassadors <
>>>>>>>>>
embajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org>
>>>>>>>>> *De*: yrazes <yrazes(a)gmail.com
>>>>>>>>> <yrazes%20%3cyrazes(a)gmail.com%3e>> Hi
Alejandro
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What I followed so far (please correct me in case I
am
>>>>>>>>> wrong), is that I could arrange in Lima a place
with
>>>>>>>>> facilities as labs with good Internet connection,
searching
>>>>>>>>> hotels and restaurants for at least 7 ambassadors
from
>>>>>>>>> LATAM (I do not know exactly who is invited yet).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am also aware about the purspose of the meeting:
to state
>>>>>>>>> some procedures face to face in order to have a
better
>>>>>>>>> Fedora community.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I mentioned the coliseum as part of the event (two
hours
>>>>>>>>> for the first day) because as you know I do per year
at
>>>>>>>>> least five or six events to promote Fedora and still
people
>>>>>>>>> in Lima, we have a low percentage of knowledge about
Linux.
>>>>>>>>> And, because I can not go everywhere all the time to
do
>>>>>>>>> more workshops (because I also need to work), I did
a free
>>>>>>>>> online tutorial of Fedora to everyone in
Backtrackacademy.
>>>>>>>>> [01]
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I "though" that it could be great if I
have the honour to
>>>>>>>>> have all of you in Lima (Ambassadors with expertise
in
>>>>>>>>> Fedora) I could do one public event day with all of
you as
>>>>>>>>> speakers and trainers that can teach my local people
to do
>>>>>>>>> real contributions as packaging, translations, wiki
>>>>>>>>> manteiners, among other activities.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The coliseum could be useful for the first two hours
(for
>>>>>>>>> install activities to everyone in Lima who is
intersted in
>>>>>>>>> having Fedora). Please believe me, if this activity
is so
>>>>>>>>> simple for most of us, for newbies is a challenge in
case
>>>>>>>>> they have Wifi problems and other technician issue
that I
>>>>>>>>> know can happen.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The second day (this plan is still in my head) we
can do
>>>>>>>>> more private meetings to set up (with a better view
from
>>>>>>>>> the previous day) the actions and plans to have a
better
>>>>>>>>> community.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I know that before I have you online in my events
but it is
>>>>>>>>> not the same to have a face to face training or talk
to
>>>>>>>>> somebody in person. In this sense, I will always
appreciate
>>>>>>>>> the labor of Neville, because he is always
available
>>>>>>>>> anytime to response with a online talk to my people
in Lima.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Please let me know if Fedora still want me to do
that event
>>>>>>>>> in USIL, Lima, Peru in July to present a formal plan
to the
>>>>>>>>> authorities.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>> Julita
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [01]
http://backtrackacademy.com/curso/iniciando-gnu-linux
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 5:35 PM, alejandro perez
<
>>>>>>>>> aeperezt(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Julita,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Keep in mind this is a FAD it is dedicated to
Fedora
>>>>>>>>> Contributors (or interested parties) , to get
together and
>>>>>>>>> produce some results, not a promotional event,
because of
>>>>>>>>> that it will be some sort of close meeting, event do
out
>>>>>>>>> side people are welcome cannot be a massive event
with
>>>>>>>>> talks.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Mensaje original-----
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *Fecha*: Tue, 23 May 2017 15:07:56 -0500
>>>>>>>>> *Asunto*: [Embajadores-fedora-latam] Re: FAD
proposal
>>>>>>>>> improvement request
>>>>>>>>> *Para*: Latin American Fedora Ambassadors <
>>>>>>>>> embajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
>>>>>>>>>
<Latin%20American%20Fedora%20Ambassadors%20%3cembajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org%3e>
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> Reply-to: Latin American Fedora Ambassadors <
>>>>>>>>>
embajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org>
>>>>>>>>> *De*: yrazes <yrazes(a)gmail.com
>>>>>>>>> <yrazes%20%3cyrazes(a)gmail.com%3e>> Hello
Brian and
>>>>>>>>> ambassadors!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I work in USIL, it is a private university and
because all
>>>>>>>>> the events I do, I have some contacts.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have talk with the authorities at USIL to get a
coliseum,
>>>>>>>>> labs and auditorium.
>>>>>>>>>
http://www.usil.edu.pe/sedes/universidad-san-ignacio-
>>>>>>>>> loyola-campus-la-molina
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I need dates and I also arranging a plan to follow
since
>>>>>>>>> installation until Fedora workshops.
>>>>>>>>> I am going to check prices around for hotels and
food.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Please give me at least three days to do it :)
>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>> Julita
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 12:47 AM, Brian Exelbierd
>>>>>>>>> <bex(a)pobox.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 22, 2017, at 06:14 PM, Eduard Lucena
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hello Brian,
>>>>>>>>> Also there is a good discussion about this in the
Spanish
>>>>>>>>> version of this email. I think this idea is close to
happen.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cool. I'm. It suggesting a specific place so
anywhere
>>>>>>>>> appropriate and easy to fly to is great.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As a non-Spanish speaker I don't follow the
Spanish
>>>>>>>>> discussions :). This is also A-OK :)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> bex
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Br,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2017-05-22 12:12 GMT-04:00 Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis
<
>>>>>>>>> alleinerwolf(a)gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hello Brian, in the last meeting I requested someone
to
>>>>>>>>> propose another place inside or outside Peru to get
a
>>>>>>>>> suitable venue (and assume the logistic, auditorium,
hotel,
>>>>>>>>> etc), but anybody propose any place but I will to
wait
>>>>>>>>> until tomorrow night.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you want to change the place, I can talk with
>>>>>>>>> ambassadors from Lima (specially with bernardoha) I
think
>>>>>>>>> he can get a suitable place. The costs will decrease
in at
>>>>>>>>> least 60 dollars by person. Regards.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> El lun., 22 de may. de 2017 a la(s) 09:59, Brian
Exelbierd
>>>>>>>>> < bex(a)pobox.com> escribió:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, May 20, 2017, at 03:30 PM, Alex Irmel Oviedo
Solis
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Good morning, as some of you know, I was working on
a
>>>>>>>>> proposal to carry out an organizational FAD in Cusco
City,
>>>>>>>>> this proposal was reviewed by some people as
robyduck and
>>>>>>>>> bex then was presented to the council giving a
relative
>>>>>>>>> positive result, but the proposal needs some
improvements
>>>>>>>>> specially in the following terms:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> - Improvement of the agenda and to establish the
clear
>>>>>>>>> objectives.
>>>>>>>>> - Incorporate the ideas of FAMSco regarding the
>>>>>>>>> organization of ambassadors and related topics.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regarding the proposal itself, it can be reviewed at
the
>>>>>>>>> following link:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:Cusco2017
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As can be read, the FAD proposes to solve several
problems
>>>>>>>>> like organizative, budgetary, strategic and
logistical so
>>>>>>>>> help us to be more efficient and effective.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> About the participants, I considered an ambassador
for each
>>>>>>>>> country that is active and / or influential in
their
>>>>>>>>> country, so that she/he can replicate (transmit)
the
>>>>>>>>> agreements of the other collaborators of their
countries.
>>>>>>>>> If the ambassadors of some country consider that
they can
>>>>>>>>> be represented by another person we can change
their
>>>>>>>>> representative :-)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> About the dates, at first I put for the month of
June but
>>>>>>>>> not bex hasn't free time to attend the FAD and
decided to
>>>>>>>>> change for the month of July (13, 14 and 15) because
in
>>>>>>>>> those days bex has time.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> About the place, I consulted with the ambassadors of
Peru
>>>>>>>>> about the place and we chosen Cusco as the venue, if
there
>>>>>>>>> is any other proposal to change the place (inside
or
>>>>>>>>> outside of Peru) the interested people must commit
to get
>>>>>>>>> an suitable place to the meetings, talks and
accomodation.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> With regards to place, I believe Itamar suggested in
the
>>>>>>>>> FAmSCo meeting that choosing a different city might
result
>>>>>>>>> in lower costs (especially for airfare). I think
Lima was
>>>>>>>>> suggested. I agree we need to have someone who is
willing
>>>>>>>>> to own finding the place to meet in whatever city
we
>>>>>>>>> choose. I second the call for someone to stand up
and
>>>>>>>>> champion this if we can save the money reasonably.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Overall, this email is well stated and I hope there
will be
>>>>>>>>> good conversation in LATAM about this.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> regards,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> bex
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> * In summary, the FAD proposal can be improved in
all its
>>>>>>>>> aspects, therefore I request support to improve it
and to
>>>>>>>>> have it approved so that we can improve and grow
the
>>>>>>>>> community. *
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> PS: Sorry for this big email
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Greetings and thanks in advance.
>>>>>>>>>
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