Re: .0 KDE releases have terrible track record, so...
On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 5:07 PM Sérgio Basto <sergio(a)serjux.com> wrote:
On Sun, 2024-01-28 at 16:51 +0000, Neal Gompa wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 4:42 PM Sérgio Basto <sergio(a)serjux.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, 2024-01-27 at 16:34 +0000, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > > On Sat, 2024-01-27 at 16:05 +0000, Sérgio Basto wrote:
> > > > use Fedora to work not to test new features , I hope
> > > > that I haven't to fork all Fedora to keep xorg alive until F39
> > > > EOL
> > >
> > > I currently use Xorg but will try to adapt to Wayland, even
> > > though it
> > > still doesn't properly support session save/restore.
> > >
> > > However, saying you use Fedora for work and not for testing new
> > > features seems to me to be in contradiction to what Fedora is
> > > about.
> > > It's a distro *designed* for frequent updates and testing. If you
> > > want
> > > stability, there are plenty of other options.
> >
> > IMHO Fedora stable releases are stable enough to work , push things
> > to
> > stable which is not guaranty that is stable is not a good police.
> > The
> > disaster of kde 4.0 and 5.0 , are a thing that we should avoid
> > in this case is not just kde 6.0 is also removing Xorg , defaulting
> > kde
> > to wayland is one thing, force people use wayland , when wayland
> > still
> > a terrible experience , when wayland forgot about things like
> > remote
> > servers (vnc) , clipboard etc and we don't have any good
> > replacement .
> > it ok for who want test new features , while other can opt in by
> > things
> > that are used to work
> >
>
> None of those things were forgotten. We have krdp (RDP) and krfb
> (VNC)
> for remote access to Plasma Wayland. Clipboard functionality is
> supported through the portal and the wlroots protocol that lots of
> toolkits and tools use. KRDP, in particular, is new with Plasma 6.
>
> There's been a ton of work specifically around Plasma Wayland for 4
> years now, and that work hasn't stopped. We're on the cusp of getting
> multiple features that are only possible in Wayland with Plasma 6, as
> well.
But why you want drop xorg ? that is my main question
Let me turn the question around: why should I or the KDE SIG put
ourselves into the position of having to maintain Xorg? We have been
aggressively working on eliminating Xorg as a dependency since Fedora
32. The first Change landed in Fedora 34[1]. The next one[2] was tried
in Fedora 36 and reattempted in Fedora 37, and then finally stuck in
Fedora 38. The KDE SIG has been absolutely clear about this for years.
We started giving talks in 2020 about it at Akademy, Flock, and
release parties. It should not have been a surprise that we're doing
it now[3].
We have been involved upstream in the KDE Wayland goal, as well as
participating in efforts around identifying and closing gaps for a
successful Plasma Wayland experience. Upstream development has been
focused on Wayland for years. Xorg has been at the end of the line for
a long time now. We didn't drop X11 application support and still
support Xwayland just fine. The ideal is that it should eventually
become a mostly transparent experience for people. It's not quite
there yet, but it's very close now.
[1]: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/WaylandByDefaultForPlasma
[2]: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/WaylandByDefaultForSDDM
[3]: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/KDE_Plasma_6
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